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NEW Features for Synchron Pianos Software
Last post Wed, Aug 11 2021 by Phil2, 14 replies.
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Posted on Wed, Mar 03 2021 13:54
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12891

Hi everybody!

We have added some pretty cool new features to this recent update of our Synchron Pianos software!

  • Smooth Attack feature (PLAY Tab
  • Velocity Map Editor with integrated Velocity Histogram (EDIT Tab)
  • Half Pedal Editor (EDIT Tab)

Also:
Improved: Cleaned up some GUI elements
Fixed: Insert FX windows could sometimes pop outside of screen
Fixed: Sympathetic Resonance not applied on all close channels on some piano models
Fixed: EQ parameters on Edit page are not correctly rounded

Enjoy!

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, Mar 03 2021 15:48
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 1190

Great news! The attack smoothing is really effective, and makes the felts on the piano much softer. With the Steinway this is particularly appreciated. And being able to edit the area of the half-pedal will also be very useful, and I thing a first in any sampled piano.

Can't wait to check the fixed sympathetic effect, usually so subtle to be, ahem, probably non-existant!

Paolo

Posted on Wed, Mar 03 2021 16:14
by takaeku
Joined on Fri, Jun 10 2011, Japan, Posts 9

The Velocity Map Editor, which allows you to visually check and adjust each note, is a lot of fun.

takaeku

Posted on Thu, Mar 04 2021 07:27
by David B.
Joined on Tue, May 15 2018, Posts 73

I'm surprised people aren't more excited about the update. The Velocity Curve Editor is a big deal. We can now customize VSL libraries to our specific controller.  The Half Pedal Editor is nice also. I really like the visual indicator that moves horizontally. The Smooth Attack feature is a bit harder to judge. I really don't notice a difference until around 60%. Anyone else notice that also or is my hearing not so good? 

I'm so thrilled with this software update. It's nice to have more control especially with the Velocity Curve Editor. Thanks VSL.

God Bless,

David

Posted on Thu, Mar 04 2021 10:02
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12891

Hi!

Happy to hear that you like these new additions!

@David: Positive feedback is not very often the case  - it's as hard as writing a happy song 

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Mar 05 2021 10:37
by aigle
Joined on Fri, May 01 2020, Posts 7

Hello,

Thank you for this very nice update :)

I really like the addition of "The Velocity Curve Editor", I can now easily customize the curve following my keyboard and fully enjoy the sound range !! :)

Good work VSL staff !

Posted on Fri, Mar 05 2021 13:40
by Seventh Sam
Joined on Sat, Dec 29 2018, Posts 323

This is a fantastic update!  All three of these additions are very much needed, useful, and appreciated.  Along with the per-key EQ and release sample tweaking (which I admittedly am too timid to mess with), I'm hard pressed to think of how much more powerful and flexible the SYN pianos player can get. 

Thank you so much!

- Sam

Posted on Fri, Mar 05 2021 16:24
by MMKA
Joined on Tue, May 22 2012, Posts 455

That's great news! It makes the Synchron Piano's even better and more irresistible than they were already. Personally I like very much the velocity map editor! A beautiful fine tuning tool! Thanks for the effort you made!

I just played a little on the Steinway. With the velocity map editor a little bit adjusted, my Kawai keyboard has really gotten so much more a Steinway feeling (of course a real Steinway wins always ;) ). 
So many times it is in the details, and in this case for me the little adjustment in the velocity map makes the VSL Steinway the perfect instrument!

Posted on Sat, Mar 06 2021 18:17
by Snoopy10
Joined on Sun, Dec 22 2019, Stuttgart, Posts 24

Hi David,

The difference in smooth attack you notice when you e.g. the C4 key, which has a particularly strong attack very slowly pressed down until a tone comes. For me, it starts to show an effect from about 28-30%. I think the tuning is so finely done that some don't hear anything until a certain point. Actually a good thing if you can fine tune it that way. Of course, it would be even better if you could set each key individually, because the keys have very large differences among each other. So you move the attack even for keys where you don't really need it.

Georgy
Posted on Fri, Mar 12 2021 13:35
by David B.
Joined on Tue, May 15 2018, Posts 73

Part 3 of my VSL Bösendorfer 280VC Review addressing the new Synchron Piano updates. 

https://youtu.be/KWvbeqvkpYw

God Bless,

David

Posted on Fri, Mar 12 2021 16:37
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12891

Hi David, 

Thanks for sharing!

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sat, Aug 07 2021 19:02
by Phil2
Joined on Wed, Jul 20 2011, Posts 5

I have the 10-year-old Bösendorfer Imperial, and the new Steinway and Bösendorfer Imperial. On all of them I find the bass rather dead. At the moment I'm just redoing midi clips I previously have made of the last works of Bach, Beethoven and Schubert and posted on YouTube. I overcome this problem by selecting notes in the bass in the clips and raise their velocity by 5 to 20 V. (With the old Imperial I could set up two midi tracks with one to the bass and one to the treble; but I don't have enough computer resource for the new pianos. I'm currently using just the condenser, mid 2 and the tube microphones — and perhaps a high-sur.)

A much better way to do this would be with your new velocity editor, to make it so you could apply it to certain selected notes, just as one can with the EQ. For example, everything below C4 I would raise the left side of the velocity curve, and below C3 even more so.

It also makes me wonder if when the solenoids that apply the force to the hammers were developed, it was taken into consideration the fact that the hammers (and dampers) get progressively heavier from treble to bass, and thus more force needs to be applied. This would explain why the bass sounds dead. Even at a velocity of 127 the deepest bass notes don't sound very bright (sensitivity at zero or above). Nothing like they do on my 5'8" Baldwin grand.

I just discovered this update now. Are emails sent out for every update? Seems I didn't see one. Best, Phil

update: doing some more tests with this — recording the lowest three octaves at a velocity of 127 I discovered the Steinway has much more harmonics than the Bösendorfer. So possibly it's just the piano. But it certainly would be helpful to be able to raise the velocity of just the lower half or one third of the piano .

I also discovered that observing the velocity curve, that it didn't register the midi sensitivity. If the velocity was 127, it showed that whether the sensitivity was -100 or +100. Seems that should be rectified for it to be useful at all.

Posted on Wed, Aug 11 2021 10:02
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12891

Hi wilderness, 

Thanks for your report. I think that you should be able to fine-tune your piano in the EDIT view of the Synchron Player. Give it a try!

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, Aug 11 2021 14:11
by Phil2
Joined on Wed, Jul 20 2011, Posts 5

Yes, I've already done that by boosting the higher frequencies of the bass notes, and of course I could make them louder but they are still weak on the harmonics. That's why said if you could adjust the velocity for only  selected bass notes it would help considerably.

And as I said in my update it seems like for the velocity chart not to take into consideration the midi sensitivity essentially makes it worthless — unless one always stays at zero, which I don't. 

But other than this, these are wonderful pianos. The holy Grail I've been searching for the last 15 years. Best, Phil

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