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MIR PRO: Around the corner?
Last post Sun, Oct 16 2011 by Dietz, 229 replies.
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Posted on Fri, May 13 2011 16:06
by Vagn Luv
Joined on Sun, Apr 02 2006, Copenhagen, DK, Posts 271

I've had that happen to me as well!

Imagine my suprise when I click the MIR icon and suddenly Ensemble Pro appears on my screen, a program I don't own a licence for or even have installed on my computer.Surprise

Dietz can you elaborate on why this happens and what connection there is between these two applications?

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Posted on Fri, May 13 2011 19:05
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7970

I can't tell you exactly why this happens, otherwise we would have made sure that this confusing behaviour can't occur. :-)

... the connections between the two applications is obvious and was mentioned several times before: MIR is not only a powerful convolution engine, but also a VST host; in the background, it uses the core of Vienna Ensemble for all VST / VSTi / MIDI-related tasks.

BTW - MIR Pro will bring a true integration of MIR into Vienna Ensemble Pro. This will push the possibilities of the two products to a new completly new level.

Kind regards,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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Posted on Sat, May 14 2011 08:14
by Expicurious
Joined on Sun, Mar 20 2011, Scotland, Posts 11

Hi, this all sounds very exciting! Is there any word on pricing yet?

Make Lunch Not War ...
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Posted on Sat, May 14 2011 13:36
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7970

No, not yet, sorry to say so.

Greetings to Scotland! :-))

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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Posted on Tue, May 17 2011 20:03
by jc5
Joined on Wed, Jan 26 2005, Posts 180

I was on the verge of acquiring VE Pro, and then decided to test MIR SE - seeing as it also can host 3rd party vsti's now..  and as I feared, I liked what MIR can do for me quite a bit.  Yes

I'm at a bit of a loss as to how to proceed though - the bulk of my composing work takes place in Finale.  Because of how Finale functions, the way VE Pro works (by loading itself as a vst in Finale, but at the same time functioning and hosting the libraries externally) is ideal - it circumvents certain limitations of Finale, but at the same time keeps its playback happy.   At present MIR has to be run externally and connected by midi - this does not work very well with Finale, it is a nightmare I had to deal with in the past and do not wish to return to.  From what I understand, MIR Pro would be the obvious solution to this as it would combine the best of both of the existing applications..    is this how it will work?  Will MIR Pro load itself as a vst while still operating externally?  Will there be an "SE Pro" version as well?

And the question that concerns me most right now (and I know this has been brought up in this thread before, but there was no answer), if I were to buy VE Pro so that I can work now, will MIR Pro render this purchase redundant in only a few weeks (or months)?
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Posted on Sat, May 28 2011 19:46
by jammusique
Joined on Wed, Aug 04 2004, Paris, France, Posts 262

I’m very impressed with the new Hybrid reverb! I hope that you include the new algo-tail used in Hybrid in the new MIR Pro.

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Posted on Sun, May 29 2011 04:52
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2724

Hello Dietz

Did you manage to go over the 16 midi channel with Logic ?

If you need a beta tester with a 12 Core 2.93 ghz Mac, 24 GB, raid 0 of 4 x ssd, I am volunteer !

Best

Cyril

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Posted on Sun, May 29 2011 11:05
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7970
jammusique wrote:

I’m very impressed with the new Hybrid reverb! I hope that you include the new algo-tail used in Hybrid in the new MIR Pro.

Yes, we have plans to do so. As a matter of fact that's one of the reasons why the release of MIR Pro won't happen before the end of spring.

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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Posted on Sun, May 29 2011 11:06
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7970
Cyril wrote:

Hello Dietz

Did you manage to go over the 16 midi channel with Logic ?

If you need a beta tester with a 12 Core 2.93 ghz Mac, 24 GB, raid 0 of 4 x ssd, I am volunteer !

Best

Cyril

Hi Cyril, thanks for volunteering! :-)

Yes, there will be a workaround for Logic's restrictions.

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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Posted on Mon, May 30 2011 05:48
by Sami Boman
Joined on Wed, Mar 23 2005, Jyväskylä, Finland, Posts 207
Dietz wrote:

Yes, we have plans to do so. As a matter of fact that's one of the reasons why the release of MIR Pro won't happen before the end of spring.

Isn't it the end of spring in Austria allready? In Finland it most definitely is. We so desperately yearn for the mighty MIR Pro. :D
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Posted on Mon, May 30 2011 08:39
by gabriel81
Joined on Tue, Nov 17 2009, Wien, Posts 259

Well my non AC office tells me it is mid summer ...

But End of spring is always good date, can be weather dependent, astronomical, or even meteorological;(
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Posted on Mon, May 30 2011 10:10
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7970

Guys, we really appreciate your impatience :-)) ... but "not before the end of spring" means "summer".

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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Posted on Mon, May 30 2011 11:40
by hose
Joined on Fri, Nov 09 2007, Posts 153

Dietz, can you perhaps shed some light on the new workflow for user who are already used to the current version of MIR? I know that certain "trade secrets" cannot be fully exposed yet. But it would be much appreciated if we can have an idea in order to get ready for any major changes, if required.
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Posted on Mon, May 30 2011 12:33
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7970

The basic idea of MIR ("conducting a virtual orchestra on a virtual stage") will remain the same, which means that you will be familiar instantly with the the actual MIR GUI (although it got re-coded almost from the ground up). Apart from that, you will use MIR Pro like you would use Vienna Ensemble Pro - closely integrated into the DAW of your choice.

In the end, this means that you don't have to deal with two (or more) completely seperated applications any more. Regarding the workflow you may have developed with the existing version of MIR, this might be the biggest difference (... and we hope that this change will receive a warm welcome even by die-hard MIR users ;-) ...) .

Kind regards,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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Posted on Mon, May 30 2011 12:53
by hose
Joined on Fri, Nov 09 2007, Posts 153

Thanks Dietz. That's great news! Can't wait:)
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Posted on Mon, May 30 2011 13:59
by jammusique
Joined on Wed, Aug 04 2004, Paris, France, Posts 262

Here's to hoping for an upgrade path from VEP! Wink

WW complete. MirX Teldex, Cubase, PC
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Posted on Mon, May 30 2011 14:16
by hose
Joined on Fri, Nov 09 2007, Posts 153

An upgrage path from the current version of MIR is quite certain, but from VEP is unlikely.
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Posted on Mon, May 30 2011 15:48
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2724

Look absolutely great, let's hope that the price will be as friendly so all user can afford MIR PRO.

This is a big question, do I sell it with a friendly price and I sell it to all my user or do I put it too high so only professional studio can afford it 

I hope VSL's marketing has chose the 1st solution

  • 10 000 user x 200 euro = 2 000 000 euro
  • 200 big studio x 2 000 euro = 400 000 euro

This is THE dilemma Big Smile

The marketing idea is to sell MIR with just a few room so it is cheap to users ; and then you can buy more rooms when you can afford 

It is the same marketing idea that the "new download instrument", SE ...  

Best

Cyril

MacBook Pro 2019 16" + 2 x Odisseey G9 49" Big Sur
MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 2, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
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Posted on Sat, Jun 04 2011 07:55
by Expicurious
Joined on Sun, Mar 20 2011, Scotland, Posts 11

Lol - Nice try Cyril, but I think the finance and marketing guys might have other ideas!

Smile

Cyril wrote:

Look absolutely great, let's hope that the price will be as friendly so all user can afford MIR PRO.

  • 10 000 user x 200 euro = 2 000 000 euro
  • 200 big studio x 2 000 euro = 400 000 euro
Make Lunch Not War ...
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Posted on Sat, Jun 04 2011 13:40
by doubleattack
Joined on Fri, Jul 09 2010, Leipzig, Germany, Posts 237
Dietz wrote:

In the end, this means that you don't have to deal with two (or more) completely seperated applications any more. Regarding the workflow you may have developed with the existing version of MIR, this might be the biggest difference (... and we hope that this change will receive a warm welcome even by die-hard MIR users ;-) ...) .

Kind regards,



Can we expect to use our old templates or have we to build up new ones? Some apprehensions...:-)

Kind regards

Frank
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