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Last post Mon, Nov 30 2020 by Paul, 12 replies.
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Posted on Thu, Nov 12 2020 07:53
by mat123
Joined on Wed, Jun 24 2015, Posts 31

Hi folks,

while planning the purchase of a laptop capable of running synchron Bösendorfer Imperial and upright, I realized that this is going to be expensive, at least if I buy a macbook (2750,-€).

I understand the high demand for RAM since the amount of sample data is impressive.

What I do not understand is the need for a processor this fast. Recommended is i7, which is nothing less than the high-end version of the latest Intel-MacBook Pro.

Why is that so? I am just curious. Other libraries demand much less CPU power. What are synchron pianos doing that other libraries don't?

Posted on Thu, Nov 12 2020 10:23
by bbelius
Joined on Sat, Mar 14 2015, Posts 883

Hi Mat,

It's really hard to give straight forward hardware recommendations, because there are multiple parts that will influence performance.
For example a HDD is too slow for Synchron and BBO products, a SSD is great, but with an NVMe SSD you can lower RAM and CPU usage.
Also it really depends on how many mics you want to use at the same time.

I have a desktop i5 with 6 cores and I can use these pianos perfectly. My notebook has a pretty limited i5 with 4 cores, but I'm still able to use 2, maybe 3 mic positions at the same time, if I'm not doing anything else.

"Why is it so? [...] What are Synchron Pianos doing that other libraries don't?"
- Immense amount of velocity layers (up to ~80)
- simulating half-pedaling
- advanced note-release technology, which selects the correct release sample depending on the initial velocity and the time until the key is released. It's like magic, but better - it's real! ;-)
- the notes are recorded playing to the end, no early note-cutoff

Best, Ben

Ben
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Nov 13 2020 09:25
by mat123
Joined on Wed, Jun 24 2015, Posts 31

Thanks, Ben!

Don't get me wrong, I am not complaining. From what I can tell with my limited experience with a desktop machine, the two Synchron Bösendorfer libraries are WAY better than the "other, less demanding" libraries, I was comparing them to.

The question now is: do they run perfectly on a 16GB MacBook Pro, if the samples are stored on a fast external SSD (provided the processor is powerful enough)? I need only the standard version of the libraries. For about 300€, one can get a 1TB Harddrive from Samsung with 2800 MB/s read speed (NVMe SSD with thunderbolt 3), would that be enough?

It is much easier/cheaper to get a 16GB MacBook Pro than a 32 GB one. The most expensive MBP, however, is the one that doesn't work properly.

Any hint is greatly appreciated since I cannot test the configuration without buying the harddrive...

Mat

Posted on Fri, Nov 13 2020 10:58
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12637

Hi mat123, 

That sounds like a good system. Performance will also depend on the kind of music you are playing, and the number of streamed voices. The more demanding the music, the heavier the workload. 

The 16 GB MB Pro with external Thunderbolt 3 NVME sounds like a good setup. 

I didn't get why the most expensive MB Pro wouldn't work properly... 

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Nov 13 2020 11:56
by mat123
Joined on Wed, Jun 24 2015, Posts 31

Thanks, Paul! I'll give it a try then.

> I didn't get why the most expensive MB Pro wouldn't work properly...

Sorry, that wasn't clear. I wanted to say: if you buy something cheaper (MacBook with less RAM), then it might turn out to be more expensive if it doesn't work properly (sell it, buy the bigger one).

Posted on Fri, Nov 13 2020 13:39
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12637

Hi mat123, 

Thanks for the explanation!

Let us know how it goes!

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sun, Nov 29 2020 13:36
by mat123
Joined on Wed, Jun 24 2015, Posts 31

OK, back again.

unfortunately, Synchron Bösendorfer does not run smoothly on my system (configuration below).

It seems to be a rather particular problem: most of the time, while I am playing (standard version, player perspective preset), the CPU meter shows that I am well below the maximum power and everything seems to be fine. However, after I stop playing, while keeping the sustain pedal pressed and while the notes are slowly dying away, suddenly (while the CPU usage is even lower), the whole window of the CPU meter gets red and the sound drops out.

I have tried many different settings and latencies, but the problem still occurs albeit irregularly. I have no other apps running in the background.

Any help is greatly appreciated!

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My system:

MacBook Pro with 2,6 GHz Quad-Core i7
RAM 16 GB
HD: Samsung SSD X5, thunderbolt 3,
Read speed 2800 MB/s according to Samsung but ~330 MB/s according to Synchron Player, Settings => Database

Posted on Sun, Nov 29 2020 15:14
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12637

Hi mat123, 

How did you format that drive?

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sun, Nov 29 2020 17:35
by mat123
Joined on Wed, Jun 24 2015, Posts 31

Hi Paul,

the drive uses ExFAT. To be honest, I didn't format the drive at all, I just used it out of the box.

Do you think that might be the problem?

Thanks

Mat

Posted on Sun, Nov 29 2020 17:45
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12637

Hi mat123, 

That IS the problem (and you should have seen a warning message upon installation).

Format your drive as macOS or APFS and you will be fine!!

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sun, Nov 29 2020 22:20
by mat123
Joined on Wed, Jun 24 2015, Posts 31

Thanks, Paul!

Formatted to HFS+ everything works fine!

A wonderful library!

BTW: I didn't receive a warning because I just copied all my samples from the older drive to the new one instead of installing them again.

Best,
Mat

Posted on Mon, Nov 30 2020 10:02
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12637

Hi Mat, 

Thanks for the update, that's good to hear (and makes sense)!

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
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