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Posted on Mon, Nov 22 2021 21:39
by CLAUDE MARC BOURGET
Joined on Thu, Dec 11 2008, Drummondville, Québec, Canada, Posts 154

I equip my way with 5.1 and I try to see what is surround in my VSL elements.

IS VI Pro surround? 

The VI series is surround? 

Or just what is Synchon?

And Vienna MIR pro 24? (Yes, I think)

And Vienna suite pro? (yes)

Thank you for helping me.

CMB
Posted on Tue, Nov 23 2021 07:52
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 13437

Hello, 

VI Pro, VI and the VI Series come with stereo samples, which can be used for 5.1 with the help of MIR Pro/24 and the tools that come with VE Pro (Surround Panner etc.). 

The same is true for all SYNCHRON-ized products (stereo samples that can be processed with MIR Pro => 5.1).

Vienna Suite Pro can process 5.1 surround signals, that's correct. 

The multi-miced Synchron products are great to use with immersive surround as well, and of course they also work in a 5.1 mix, with discrete channels. 

Surround is world of its own and there are many different valid approaches to mixing, so there are no hard rules, but very creative tools! 

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Tue, Nov 23 2021 12:28
by CLAUDE MARC BOURGET
Joined on Thu, Dec 11 2008, Drummondville, Québec, Canada, Posts 154

Many thanks Paul for this clarification. I see it better.

CMB
Posted on Thu, Jun 16 2022 21:44
by CLAUDE MARC BOURGET
Joined on Thu, Dec 11 2008, Drummondville, Québec, Canada, Posts 154

Paul : "The multi-miced Synchron products are great to use with immersive surround as well, and of course they also work in a 5.1 mix, with discrete channels. "

I am unable to configure this. Do you have an example or a procedure to follow? Let's say on Cubase.

CMB
Posted on Fri, Jun 17 2022 08:07
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 13437

Hi Claude Marc, 

This is a bit different with all sequencers. 

In Cubase, make sure that you have inserted the SURROUND plug-in version of the Synchron Player, then you can route the various available microphones accordingly. 

When getting started with surround, there are no "hard rules", really, but there are some guidelines that will help. Here are a few tips around Immersive Surround (for Logic). 

Here's a link to Steinberg's knowledge base about that setup

Did you already set up your speakers and audio routing for surround?

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Jun 17 2022 11:22
by CLAUDE MARC BOURGET
Joined on Thu, Dec 11 2008, Drummondville, Québec, Canada, Posts 154

Hi Paul, thanks for your help (as always).

Yes,

My 5.1 outputs are configured, one output per Focal monitor (5 + sub), outputs 1 to 6 of my Prismsound Atlas.

I work with 3 DAWs. Samplitude, Cubase, Pro Tools (not HD though, so no surround here). The configuration for one will make me understand those of the others, as I know them well (a little less in surround, I admit).

It's the VSL Synchon surround player that I understand less.  If I right click on each microphone position, I don't have the option of the different channels for the different positions. Something must be missing. Or I'm making a mistake, which is very possible. Going to surround from stereo is easy. It's the surround configuration of the Synchron piano that is blocking me. 

I'll go look at your documents, but I've already been there. It's not that. I need a Cubase template with a Synchron piano and a surround session. Maybe a user here can help me (but maybe I'm asking too much). 

cm

 P.S. Ok, I made it in Cubase! Thanks Paul.

CMB
Posted on Sat, Jun 18 2022 15:52
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 13437

Hi, 

Thanks for the update. 

Maybe it was just the question about the routing options with surround instruments in the Synchron Player?

I have attached a screenshot... 

Best, 
Paul

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Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sat, Jun 18 2022 16:44
by CLAUDE MARC BOURGET
Joined on Thu, Dec 11 2008, Drummondville, Québec, Canada, Posts 154

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

Hi, 

Thanks for the update. 

Maybe it was just the question about the routing options with surround instruments in the Synchron Player?

I have attached a screenshot... 

Best, 
Paul

Yes, I see. But I don't understand the link with surround, which is not a choice of proximity mics, but of positioning in a room. You would have to have right and left lateral, back of the room, etc. I imagine that in the VSL system, it is MIR that does this?

CMB
Posted on Sun, Jun 26 2022 08:03
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 13437

Hi, 

MIR is designed to work with dry signals, and yes, it can work in surround as well. MIR PRO 3D will be much more interesting there... stay tuned.

But wasn't your question about multi-mic'ed Synchron Series products? Here, you can decide how to feed microphones to your surround system. 

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sun, Jun 26 2022 11:18
by CLAUDE MARC BOURGET
Joined on Thu, Dec 11 2008, Drummondville, Québec, Canada, Posts 154

Hello Paul,

Thanks again for your answer. My question, more specifically, was: what is the purpose of several proximity microphones in the surround. The surround creates a room. If there were microphones in the room, I understand. If not, it's to place the listener in the piano... 

Again, it is by example that I could understand. If someone could explain to me in detail a 5.1 or 7.1 setup with a Synchron piano, that would help. Which mics for which channels. As I said, I know how to place the surround from a stereo instrument, but it's the logic of the Synchron piano surround version that I don't understand. That's why I'm asking you here. This is not a question about surround in general. For example, at another sample producer, the different microphones are positions in the room, side, balcony, back of the room, etc. I'm not saying it's better. I just want to understand the choice of VSL and the advantages you see in it.

P.S. I just used the new VSL celestial strings. They are simply amazing. It's a beautiful work. But they are not in surround sound, I think. Am I wrong?  

CMB
Posted on Tue, Jul 19 2022 12:16
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 13437

Hello Claude Marc, 

The key to the Surround Synchron Player is the Surround Panner IN THE PLAYERS. 

Main L+R are panned L+R
Main C is panned in the middle

Main Ls+Rs is panned to the back LS+Rs. 

Close Mics are shared to the front L+R. 

Room Mics are panned to the front and back again.

Check out the panners in the channels of the built-in mixer and this should be pretty clear!

Best, 
Paul 

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, Jul 20 2022 13:27
by CLAUDE MARC BOURGET
Joined on Thu, Dec 11 2008, Drummondville, Québec, Canada, Posts 154

Thanks Paul, but can you give me the same thing for the Surround Synchron Piano? It doesn't match.

We have :

ROOM MIX
CONDENSER
RIBBON
TUBE
MID1
MID2
MAIN
MAIN-C
SURROUND
HIGH
HIGH-SUR

CMB
Posted on Wed, Jul 20 2022 15:48
by Air
Joined on Wed, Jan 22 2003, Vienna, Posts 290

Hi,

With the Pianos it is quite the same:

ROOM MIX: It is a mix of all room mics. Best to use in stereo to save voices. You can try also to pan it between
                  all speakers. But this stream is not used in the surround presets.

Condenser: a condenser stereo close mic. In surround panned to the front

Ribbon: a ribbon stereo close mic. In surround panned to the front

Tube: a tube stereo close mic. In surround panned to the front

Mid1: It is a mid layer stereo mic. Not too close with more ambience on it. Most of the time also panned to the 
          front but you can also play around with that stereo stream an panned it anywhere in the surround field.

Mid2: It is an alternative mid layer stereo mic. Not too close with more ambience on it. Most of the time also
          panned to the front but you can also play around with that stereo stream an panned it anywhere in the
          surround field

Main: It's the L+R from the main mic system. It's the same as Main L+R in the other libraries.

Main-C: It's the Center mic from the main mic system. 

Surround: These are the left surround mic and the right surround mic from the main mic system.

High: These are 2 microphones above the main mic system. You can use it for the height layer when mixing in
         Dolby Atmos or Auro 3D. You can also use it if you want to get more ambience sound.

High-Sur: These are 2 microphones above the main surround micrphones. You can use it for the rear height
                layer when mixing in Dolby Atmos or Auro 3D. You can also use it if you want to get more ambience
                sound.

Hope that helps to make things clearer. You should just play around with the mics an place them in the 5.1 field.

Best

Bernd

Posted on Wed, Jul 20 2022 16:25
by CLAUDE MARC BOURGET
Joined on Thu, Dec 11 2008, Drummondville, Québec, Canada, Posts 154

Hello Bernd,

A huge thank you. I'll get started.

cmb

CMB
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