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Upgrade from First to Pro (MAC Power PC 10.4.10)
Last post Sun, Oct 07 2007 by plowman, 4 replies.
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Posted on Sat, Sep 29 2007 16:09
by e.childs
Joined on Wed, Jun 09 2004, Aquinnah, MA, Posts 6
Hello,

Sorry if these questions are all ancient history, but I searched the docs both on and offline and could not find answers. First here is my situation.
1.) I installed the First Edition in the recommended location (back in 2005, while running Logic 6, ie. to the Samples and Sampler Instruments folder, under Logic in the Applications folder).
2.) When I upgraded to Logic 7, the Vienna Instruments showed up under a Logic 6 instruments menu as selectable from the EXS 24 window. No problem, all seemed to work fine. I noticed, however, that the sampler instruments included with Logic 7 are installed in the Libraries folder at the root of the System Disk.
3.) I have just upgraded to the Pro Edition (final close out), and received all of the DVD's. Here come the questions:

1.) Should I install the Pro samples in the same place as the First Edition (in the Applications Folder under Logic), or should I move everything to the top level Libraries folder at the root of the system disk.
2.) I seem to be remembering at one point that it was recommended to install the samples on a different disk from the system disk. Is that still true?
3.) Any other advice on doing this upgrade?

Thanks in advance, feel free to give me a link to a place which has these answers!

Edward Childs
Posted on Sat, Sep 29 2007 19:41
by plowman
Joined on Sat, Dec 13 2003, Posts 1049
1. "I noticed, however, that the sampler instruments included with Logic 7 are installed in the Libraries folder at the root of the System Disk."

Logic 8 puts its own packaged EXS sounds in Library > Application Support > Logic > Sampler Instruments. This means they're accessible to any accounts on your computer. That's really the only difference. Because they're factory samples, I let them stay there and put the new (self-purchased) sounds in the default, which is (User) > Application Support > Logic > Sampler Instruments. EXS, of course, will show the contents of both folders within its plug-in. The samples in the user folder will only be available to the user account.

2. Yes, this should remain true for some time. The hardware fact is, it's best to be streaming from a drive other than the one occupied with the program (Logic). That said, I *do* run a portion of my library from the MacIntosh HD, and it's never exploded. But it is not optimal.

3. If you find yourself swapping samples and dragging them to different drives a lot, you might consider Redmatica's EXS Manager. There are ways to re-link samples in Logic, but it is less elegant and certainly less speedy than EM.

Congrats on your new purchase. I remember the move from First to Pro in EXS as very satisfying.
Posted on Sat, Oct 06 2007 19:50
by e.childs
Joined on Wed, Jun 09 2004, Aquinnah, MA, Posts 6
Thanks very much for your swift and helpful reply. After considerable experimentation I discovered that while the sampler instruments needed to go in the Application Support > Logic > Sampler Instruments, the samples could go in a different location (I have installed them on my 2nd hard disk) and Logic was able to "find" them. I will probably reveal a profound level of ignorance when I say that I attempted to put the Sampler Instruments on the 2nd hard disk but could figure out no way to get them recognized inside Logic, even after using the Project Manager. This experience left me wondering what the Project Manager is useful for. Having achieved this level of organization, I considered your suggestion regarding the Redmatica product. I downloaded the documentation but found it a bit difficult to read through. What is the benefit of the EXS Manager? Many thanks again for your very helpful notes.
Posted on Sun, Oct 07 2007 06:50
by plowman
Joined on Sat, Dec 13 2003, Posts 1049
"...I attempted to put the Sampler Instruments on the 2nd hard disk but could figure out no way to get them recognized inside Logic, even after using the Project Manager." As you are discovering, Logic only sees EXS files when they're in the Sampler Instruments folder, without regard to the location of the samples. If you wanted to store your EXS files along with your samples on the 2nd drive, you would create an alias pointing to those files and drag it to the Sampler Instruments folder on the main drive. (I think this requires EXS to search out your 2nd drive each time you boot. When it says "Scanning EXS Instruments..." on launch, it'll take longer. I've never liked aliasing EXS instruments, but many power users do it.) "What is the benefit of the EXS Manager?" An EXS file is only a small set of instructions as to where sample files are located and how they should be played. EXS Manager's chief strength is its ability to re-link EXS files to samples. For example, you could have kept your EXS files where they were, dragged all of their associated samples to the 2nd drive, and then told EM to update the EXS files according to their samples' new home on the 2nd drive. EM does this with alarming speed. In Logic 7 this could be done (at a much slower speed) in Project Manager. No doubt 8 does it in "Browser." The "auto find" you described may also diminish your need for EM. I understand your pause with Redmatica's manual. Their programs pre-suppose a solid, working knowledge of EXS. I'm a big supporter, and yet I understand only a portion of the power of their programs.
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