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Thoughts about Multitimbral Instruments in VEpro 64
Last post Fri, Feb 05 2010 by clueblast, 7 replies.
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Posted on Tue, Feb 02 2010 14:14
by clueblast
Joined on Wed, Mar 18 2009, Posts 43
i think it would be nice to have the option to switch off multitimbral functionality in VEpro in the preferences or on a per channel basis. this would mean that the incoming midi would always passed through on midi channel 1 to the instrument, ignoring the channel of the incoming midi. at least in the 64bit version of VEpro, using multitimbral instruments doesn´t make much sense, as the memory-hit of the user-interfaces can be ignored. so the way one would prefer to work in order to unclutter things and don´t have to deal with additional inputs in VEpro is to open a new instance of an instrument for every sound needed.
right now there are three 64bit instruments for the mac. stylus, omnisphere (beta) and trillian (beta).
by loading a new instance of one of these you also have an additional step to assign the right channel in omnisphere. in stylus you don´t even have this option. here you have to take the respective part to load the loop you want. (there are only 8 parts, meaning if you already used 8 omnispheres in VE pro using channel 1-8 you don´t even have the chance to assign midi to a later added stylus. everything would be much easier and more intuitive for new users if we´d be able to switch off multimbrality as mentioned. another option would be another midichannel button. so the existing one would reflect incoming midichannel, the new one would reflect the throughput channel to the instrument (default=1). or you do it as in logic. on loading an instrument you choose between a stereo and a multitimbral instrument. i´d prefer a "M"-button next to the midichannelbutton. Highlighted means multitimbral on and midi is passed through on the same channel. and defaulted it´s off and midi is passed through on channel 1.
thanks ;-)
iMac Pro 10.13.X / MacBook Pro 2017 10.14 / Logic Pro 10.4.2 / 32GB / Apogee Ensemble Thunderbolt
Posted on Tue, Feb 02 2010 17:51
by beatpete
Joined on Thu, Oct 01 2009, Posts 80
I thimk you can do that now, just change the channel in VE Pro from "all" to 1.
Comp1: Windows 10 64 bit,AMD 3950x 32 core, 64gb ram,, Radeon HD5450 graphics, RME Digiface, Steinberg UR824 and MR816x (X2)
(connected to Digiface), Cubase 10.5 64bit
Comp 2: Windows 7 64bit, I5 3450,32 gb ram, VEPro 7
Posted on Tue, Feb 02 2010 22:37
by clueblast
Joined on Wed, Mar 18 2009, Posts 43
i´m ot sure what you mean? there´s no "all"- setting. in case you mean "omni" that´s something different.
as it is, the incoming midichannel is throughpassed to the instrument so you have to additionally adjust the instrument in order to recieve midi on that channel which isn´t straight forward and depending on the instrument may force to learn the instruments indepth settings for no reason. tell me if i´m wrong...
iMac Pro 10.13.X / MacBook Pro 2017 10.14 / Logic Pro 10.4.2 / 32GB / Apogee Ensemble Thunderbolt
Posted on Thu, Feb 04 2010 16:11
by beatpete
Joined on Thu, Oct 01 2009, Posts 80
You're correct, it is Omni although it says 'all' in the display. If you change from "all" (or omni) to, say, 1, all midi coming in on that plugin midi in will be routed to channel 1 of the instrument you have loaded. I really don't think however that learning a multimbral intrumrent's routing is much of achallenge.
Comp1: Windows 10 64 bit,AMD 3950x 32 core, 64gb ram,, Radeon HD5450 graphics, RME Digiface, Steinberg UR824 and MR816x (X2)
(connected to Digiface), Cubase 10.5 64bit
Comp 2: Windows 7 64bit, I5 3450,32 gb ram, VEPro 7
Posted on Thu, Feb 04 2010 19:40
by clueblast
Joined on Wed, Mar 18 2009, Posts 43

sorry, but i think you didn´t get the point. please read my initial post post carefully. setting midichannel to "1" means only incoming midi from channel "1" would be accepted and would be throughput to channel "1" of the instrument. now you setup another track in logic to send midi to another VEpro instrument. you will do that on channel 2. now you set up this next instrument on VEpre to midichannel 2 and it will recieve midi from channel 2 but only throughpass midi to the new instrument on channel 2. so you have to setup the new instrument to recieve on channel 2 only. it´s not too hard to set up (for me) but it may lead to confusions for other people. too many steps that don´t make sense. in stylus for example you´re forced to load a loop in the slot that is corresponding to the midichannel you´re sending from logic. no problem for me, but it could be much easier...

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Posted on Thu, Feb 04 2010 23:14
by beatpete
Joined on Thu, Oct 01 2009, Posts 80
I think I understand you now although I think what you're asking is fairly redundant. Another workaround, is to use a separate instance of VE Pro for each instrument. Also, if you can use a VST3 instance, you can have up to 32 midi ports, all of which could be set to "omni".
Comp1: Windows 10 64 bit,AMD 3950x 32 core, 64gb ram,, Radeon HD5450 graphics, RME Digiface, Steinberg UR824 and MR816x (X2)
(connected to Digiface), Cubase 10.5 64bit
Comp 2: Windows 7 64bit, I5 3450,32 gb ram, VEPro 7
Posted on Fri, Feb 05 2010 09:26
by clueblast
Joined on Wed, Mar 18 2009, Posts 43

it is fairly redundant yes, it´s just a "thought" (read the title) which could make things somewhat easier and help setting up VEpro more to the way many people will use it (at least in the 64 bit version). using an instance of VEpro for each instrument wouldn´t at all make things more comfortable and if you read my signature, you´ll see that i´m using logic, so vst3 is also no option. now please let this thread be what it is, a suggestion. if you don´t need this, don´t care. but thanks anyway for bumping this up all the time.

iMac Pro 10.13.X / MacBook Pro 2017 10.14 / Logic Pro 10.4.2 / 32GB / Apogee Ensemble Thunderbolt
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