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Last post Tue, Sep 21 2010 by veetguitar, 15 replies.
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Posted on Sun, Aug 22 2010 13:29
by Sergino Futurino
Joined on Thu, Dec 18 2003, Livorno, Posts 649

 using VI Pro since yesterday, I'm asking to myself if I need a MIDI controller.
I would like somebody from the Vienna Team to tell us if they use one or more of those devices.  As the most of us already own a MIDI keyboard, it could be useful some advice on those without piano-keys, Thanks

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Posted on Mon, Aug 23 2010 09:28
by jammusique
Joined on Wed, Aug 04 2004, Paris, France, Posts 258

Check out the Novation Zero SL MKII. Quality build (looks and feels better in person that in the pictures) and work great! I haven't yet tried it with VI Pro yet, but no reason that it wouldn't work..... Yes

WW complete. MirX Teldex, Cubase, PC
Posted on Mon, Aug 23 2010 13:42
by Sergino Futurino
Joined on Thu, Dec 18 2003, Livorno, Posts 649

 I thank you, but I would like sombody who has tested it "on the field", or, even better, "on the...file"

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Windows 10 on Vertex4 SSD - I7 3960x overclocked @4.0 Ghz - 32 GB RAM -
2010 MacbookPro 2.66 Ghz 8 Giga RAM -
MOTU: 2408 MK3, 24i, Traveler,MIDI Express XT
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Posted on Mon, Aug 23 2010 14:02
by jammusique
Joined on Wed, Aug 04 2004, Paris, France, Posts 258

Midi devices all comunicate with the computer in the same way. Novation has the advantage of having also a software server that connects all Automap devices to you daw in many different ways.

Good luck ! Yes

WW complete. MirX Teldex, Cubase, PC
Posted on Tue, Aug 24 2010 09:01
by g.beljon
Joined on Wed, Apr 14 2004, Netherlands, Posts 277

 Hello Sergino,

I am also looking at Midi controllers at this moment. I found the Roland FC300 foot-controller. This device seems very usable for VI Pro to me as you can freely assign Midi functions to each pedal. Anybody here uses this controller?

Greetings,

Gerard

Posted on Tue, Aug 24 2010 20:59
by Ege
Joined on Sat, Jan 22 2005, Washington, DC, Posts 104

Jammusique  --

I have been unable to get Zero SL Mk II to work, and tech support at novation has yet to reply to my inquiry.

Can you provide the details of the setup you use, including ports for the novation, and set up of the Environment window?  I have been able, not using automap mode, to control the various controllers on Vienna Instrument Pro, but I am having trouble figuring how to record movements of the controls, either in automation or somehow with a separate track that I then merge.

In short, how are you doing it???  What are your settings, and how do you record and later edit controller movements?

Thanks Steve

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Posted on Tue, Aug 24 2010 21:36
by Sergino Futurino
Joined on Thu, Dec 18 2003, Livorno, Posts 649

 Is it possible that nobody in the Vienna Team use a MIDI device?

Dietz, Herb?

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Windows 10 on Vertex4 SSD - I7 3960x overclocked @4.0 Ghz - 32 GB RAM -
2010 MacbookPro 2.66 Ghz 8 Giga RAM -
MOTU: 2408 MK3, 24i, Traveler,MIDI Express XT
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VE Pro 6, VI Pro 2, Vienna Suite, Vienna MIR Pro w/Roompacks 1 and 2,
Libraries (preload size 2408): Special Edition Standard and Plus, Appassionata I, Solo Strings I, Dimension Brass, Percussion, Soprano Choir, Upright Bass, Flugelhorn, Saxophones, Concert guitar, Jazz Drums, Epic Orchestra, Dimension Strings
Posted on Tue, Aug 24 2010 23:20
by Beat Kaufmann
Joined on Fri, Jan 03 2003, Switzerland/Brugg, Posts 1713

Hi Sergino

The main question is: What would you like to control with a hardware controller?

I believe that it make sense to make a mixdown of an audio project with hardware knobs or shifters.

It also could make sense to control the DAW (start, stop, rewind etc) with a hardware controller for getting more "mouse power" so that you can do other things with it than just running the sequencer.

But the VIPro is such a complex PlugIn that I really don't know what functions a controller can do for getting a quicker workflow than we have with the mouse...

That's my current opinion. Maybe it will change when I worked for a longer time with VIPro... will see.

Best

Beat

www.musik-produktion-createc.ch (Konzertaufnahmen, Musik mit Samples)
at www.beat-kaufmann.com : MIXING an ORCHESTRA - TUTORIAL
Posted on Tue, Aug 24 2010 23:27
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608

I use a Lemur. Obviously Ive only just started using it with VI Pro and there are still things that need ironing out by the VSL team, but I have no doubt that it will work even better than regular VI.

DG

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Posted on Wed, Aug 25 2010 01:55
by Ege
Joined on Sat, Jan 22 2005, Washington, DC, Posts 104

Beat --

You are talking like a politician! :)

Let's not lose sight of the goal.  HOW do you set up, in my case, the Novation Zero SL MKII to work with the Vienna Instrument (or the Vienna Instrument Pro for that matter).   As for the utility of using of various controls of a control surface to improve performance, for example, in the new Vienna Instrument Pro the Attack control can be varied even for the Bosendorfer piano that comes with the Special Edition, albeit within a narrow range of about 10 - 15 in the controller.  Nevertheless, this can be used during the performance to change the effect.  When Attack is turned off entirely at the 127 level, the piano takes on a whole new sound.  Similarly with the Expression control.  If it is possible to add these controls one at a time during performance, perhaps by recording Take tracks using Option Record, one could layer in the effects one wants, one at a time.  This is not a trivial performance question.

So again, HOW is this done?  What Environment Window settings, What ports in the Automap settings, what, if any, AU Plug-in instances (the automap Plug-In manager provides for AUVienna Instrument, AUVienna Ensemble, and AUVienna Instrument Pro, but I have been unable to make it work in Automap mode), how does one record the control surface movements (by Automation or as a separate a later combined track of control movements), etc.

Only Jammusique has the answers!!  We are waiting!!

Steve

IMac, 2.9 GHz Intel 4 Core i5, 32 GB, OSX 10.10.1
Posted on Thu, Aug 26 2010 23:25
by Beat Kaufmann
Joined on Fri, Jan 03 2003, Switzerland/Brugg, Posts 1713
Steve_DC wrote:

Beat --

You are talking like a politician! :) ...

So let me go on:

Men always need tools and gadgets - hardware tools and hardware gadgets with knobs, shifters, faders, switches, buttons, LEDs and touch screens: Cyclocomputers, GPS, mobile phones, Mp3-players, heart rate monitors, real-time calorie monitors, crosstrainers, headsets, calculators, interfaces, USB-breezers, alarmsystems, weatherstations, altimeters,  notebooks, net-books, tablets, 3D-joint-shavers, 3D-glasses, 800W-power-amplifiers, a baby carriage with disk brakes, pacemakers and - midi controllers.

As soon as the market offers a new software men want to have a hardware controller as well for using it.

Software seems to be too soft.

Some days later our man is a proud owner of such a piece with switches, lights, shifters, faders and buttons.

Now  he invests hundreds of hours for optimizing the connection "software<>hardware".

If he has problems to reach the expected results he is giong to change  RAMs, processors, coolingsystems, CPUs, screens and the whole computer.

Finally and at last, it works...

Unfortunately (fortunately?),  the software developer already offers a new software version... new drivers, new hardware...

This we call here  "producing music with samples"

Beat Wink

www.musik-produktion-createc.ch (Konzertaufnahmen, Musik mit Samples)
at www.beat-kaufmann.com : MIXING an ORCHESTRA - TUTORIAL
Posted on Fri, Aug 27 2010 13:21
by Ege
Joined on Sat, Jan 22 2005, Washington, DC, Posts 104

Beat --

You forgot to mention that now I have to hire somebody to help me push all those faders and buttons around!

I am slowly working my way through your tutorial from your website.  It's been a big help.  I hope you do one on the new VI Pro.

Steve

IMac, 2.9 GHz Intel 4 Core i5, 32 GB, OSX 10.10.1
Posted on Fri, Aug 27 2010 23:40
by Beat Kaufmann
Joined on Fri, Jan 03 2003, Switzerland/Brugg, Posts 1713
Steve_DC wrote:

... I am slowly working my way through your tutorial from your website.  It's been a big help.  I hope you do one on the new VI Pro.

Steve

Thanks for your kind words, Steve!

I'm just collecting experiences with VIPro... Wink

Beat

www.musik-produktion-createc.ch (Konzertaufnahmen, Musik mit Samples)
at www.beat-kaufmann.com : MIXING an ORCHESTRA - TUTORIAL
Posted on Mon, Sep 20 2010 22:49
by ddunn
Joined on Fri, Aug 03 2007, Posts 76

DG, Do you use the Lemur in any bi-directional way.  Meaning, is the interface's values update as the sequence plays.

Thanks

Posted on Tue, Sep 21 2010 09:30
by veetguitar
Joined on Mon, Dec 23 2002, Posts 168

See a similar thread here:

http://www.vi-control.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18017

Here is a youtube video explaining how set up works in Cubase/Nuendo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLJ9OBmADHE

website: veetguitar.de
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