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Performance tool "built in" to Logic 8?
Last post Thu, Jan 05 2012 by mf, 8 replies.
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Posted on Fri, Dec 03 2010 22:28
by Emlyn
Joined on Tue, Jan 21 2003, Providence, RI, Posts 67

I think I might (unfortunately) already know the answer to this question but I'm going to ask it anyway :)

I bought the original Pro Edition for Gigastudio (R.I.P.) years ago and have been using it on a PC ever since. But I've finally gone Mac and recently my friend "gave" me his old Logic 8 to test my VSL (yes, yes, I know...licenses are non-transferrable blah blah) but I don't see any "built in" VSL PT in the EXS24 window.

Am I missing something?

So I downloaded the Mac PT from this site thinking I still had to install it and of course the first thing it does is ask for an XSKey...which I'm positive won't be legit since it's not my Logic 8.

So I guess I have to buy Logic 8 or 9 to see if my $6,000 VSL library works like I want it to? Is that it?

Posted on Sat, Jan 08 2011 20:27
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9049

i know i'm late, but here is the bad news: your gigastudio library wouldn't work with EXS at all ... you could try to use G-Player though ...

and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Sun, Apr 03 2011 18:52
by Emlyn
Joined on Tue, Jan 21 2003, Providence, RI, Posts 67

I'm late to this too :)

Actually, I've successfully loaded ALL VSL libraries (of the ones I've tested, that is) directly into EXS as-is, but my issue is in being able to use the "Mac performance tool"...which should be all I need, correct?

Otherwise, what steps must I take to have working versions of VSL libraries in Logic? Buy the whole library all over again? There must be a more cost-effective solution...

Posted on Mon, Apr 04 2011 07:12
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9049

the underlying problem seems to be you have the pro edition libraries for gigastudio.

now importing into EXS works rather well for the single note patches of strings, woodwinds, brass and percussion *), but almost not for the performance set.

so you should be able to use the (legacy) symphonic cube, maybe even including alternations, but mapping of the performance elements (legati, repetitions, ect) got scrambled.

 

*) some wave-files actually had be renamed regarding the character-set used in OS 8/9 and the and limit for lenght of filenames in HFS

and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Mon, Apr 04 2011 14:39
by Emlyn
Joined on Tue, Jan 21 2003, Providence, RI, Posts 67

Thanks for the EXS conversions--so some of these are new/renamed from the original Pro Edition version?

Now, sorry if I seem scrambled myself but I need to clarify what the real obstacle is here:

  1. Obviously one can't just load up a PERF patch from Pro Edition in Logic's EXS sampler (or via G-Player plugin) and expect it to work because Logic and EXS/G-Player don't have the actual Performance Tool functionality (of figuring out legato/repetition/alternation during playback). Correct?
  2. Therefore, a Performance Tool needs to be loaded (somehow, either standalone alongside Logic...or as a plugin?) so that either EXS-format or G-Player Giga format PERF libraries can be properly interpreted. Correct?
  3. But, what I'm seeing in this "Mac version 2.0" of the Performance Tool is that one needs an XSKey to run it...but XSKeys didn't exist when I bought the Pro Edition so does that mean I can never use this Mac Perf Tool unless I re-buy the entire VSL library in its newest version? Crazy.

Please advise as I need to understand this, and what my actual options are.

(The only remaining option I can envision is to run the original Performance Tool in CrossOver on the Mac, and run that in Windows emulation alongside Logic in OS X...hoping that it doesn't crash the system. Not a great solution.)

Posted on Tue, Apr 05 2011 08:47
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9049

2 different beasts:

a) pro edition exs version, logic, exs, built-in performance tool (a plugin to exs so to speak)

b) pro edition giga version, logic, G-player, stand-alone performance tool, some MIDI-routing

 

for a) up to logic 7 an XSkey is required (holds license for logic, exs, performance tool), since version 8 or higher the XSkey for logic doesn't exist any more

for b) the stand-alone performance tool (initially released for kontakt 1.5 and HALion) does not rely on an XSkey at all

and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Thu, Apr 07 2011 20:55
by Emlyn
Joined on Tue, Jan 21 2003, Providence, RI, Posts 67

Well after much experimenting and a great deal of help from some smart guys over at logicprohelp.com I've managed to get Logic talking to G-Player, but the Mac VSL perf tool does not, will not and apparently cannot communicate with either.

While "to_vsl_tool 1" and "to_vsl_tool 2" etc show up in Logic as usable outputs, there is NO signal being received--and if there is, certainly none is finding its way out, even in thru mode across the board. G-player offers "from_vsl_tool 1" etc, so it sees the perf tool, but I've not yet seen a single MIDI message make its way from the perf tool to g-player, which tells me its not the MIDI setup, it's the tool.

Consider that I went as far as setting up a completely new, separate IAC Bus in the OS X audio/MIDI control panel for Logic (which is how I got g-player to finally respond) but the perf tool didn't recognize anything coming via this. I tried sending MIDI both from Logic and a keyboard. Nada.

This is disappointing. I have a very expensive sound library that I bought for gigastudio--which went under, not my fault--and so I'm left trying to make the perf tool work in a Mac environment with 3rd party apps.

Let me ask a more basic question: Has this Mac Perf Tool actually ever been tested with Logic? If yes, the destination player would have had to have been a standalone app, like G-Player (otherwise how else could it have been successfully tested, right? I don't see how Logic's EXS player + Perf Tool would work). Therefore, who did this test before the Mac perf tool was released and, if yes, did they write down how they got it to work?

Otherwise if the Mac Perf Tool was never tested in a Logic environment, and I'm the first twerp to try this, then my report is: Fail.

Posted on Thu, Jan 05 2012 14:04
by mf
Joined on Wed, Mar 08 2006, Posts 33

Hi,

just in case someone is still interested in this question:.

I use the Performance Tool (Standalone version for OSX, 2.0) with Gplayer as audio-instrument plugin in Logic 7 with success . It is working well. I am playing my VSL horizon libraries this way. G5 PPC, 10.5.8.

I had to make some midi routing in Logic's environment..

 I created four multiinstruments in the environment to have 4 x 16 channels that I can route to  the four parts of the PF Tool.

(Midi tracks can then be routed to each channel of one of these multiinstruments.)

The 4 multiinstruments have their outputs routed to "to_vsl_tool 1" (and 2,3,4 of course), this is done in their parameters.

The ports in PF Tool both have to be "auto", so they receive midi input from vsl_tool 1 (though 4).

The midi output from the PF Tool arrives then at the "physical input" in the environment (layer "klick and port"). They are named "from _vsl_tool 1 (through 4)". From there I route four cables to four audio objects (instruments) where 4 instances of gplayer sit as plugins. Each instance then receives midi on 16 channels.

Of course I do not know if this also works in Logic 8, but I could not imagine why not. As long as there is the environment....

Matthias

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