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Posted on Thu, Feb 26 2015 11:57
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 11376

Dear Digital Performer 8 and Vienna Ensemble PRO 5 users, 

The long wait is over, and finally you can access up to 48 MIDI Ports (48*16=768 MIDI Channels) for each VE PRO instance. 

  • No need to use VE PRO Event Input plug-ins anymore.
  • Offline bouncing with multiple ports now possible.
  • Works with Digital Performer 8 or higher

Hope you enjoy this new addition to the arsenal of Vienna Ensemble PRO 5!

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Feb 26 2015 16:59
by dnegovan
Joined on Tue, Sep 29 2009, Posts 1

This is awesome!!

Posted on Thu, Feb 26 2015 17:50
by magnumpraw
Joined on Tue, Oct 04 2005, Los Angeles, Posts 140

I think I just wet myself a little.

Posted on Thu, Feb 26 2015 19:27
by buhardilla
Joined on Thu, Oct 25 2012, Posts 10

Great news! 

Mac Pro 5.1 Hexacore. 10.14.4 VEPro | DP10 | Logic Pro X
Posted on Thu, Feb 26 2015 20:11
by cojoncio
Joined on Tue, Apr 20 2010, Spain, Posts 74

Could any DP users post their thoughts about how it works?

I'm a Logic Pro user, but at this moment I'm seriously considering start using DP. I'm sick of the Logic's AU limitations and I think this is what I'm looking for.

 

Thanx!!!

Master: i9 7900x OS X 10.12 Digital Performer
Slaves: i7 3930k. Windows 7 - Mac Pro 12 core. OS X 10.12
Posted on Thu, Feb 26 2015 23:44
by Steve Steele
Joined on Sun, Dec 04 2011, Posts 85

Paul - I downloaded the new update, installed it, and then opened VEPro and DP. When I opened my DP template the previous AU instances didn't load. I opened my saved metaframe and all of the instances loaded. Before connecting them in DP, I could see all of the now available MIDI ports in DP. I connected to the instances and everything worked. I even put some instruments on different MIDI ports and that worked. I did this without loading the MAS version of the plugin in DP. Did VEPro somehow already open/convert the instances as MAS instances?

In other words, everything just worked without me having to select the MAS version of the VEPro Ensemble Pro, or de-select the AU version in DP. All I had to do was re-connect the instances. 

Are these MAS instances, or do I need to merge projects from an AU instance to a MAS instance and then aim my midi tracks to the new instance? Or has this already been taken care of by VEPro?

Thanks!

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Posted on Fri, Feb 27 2015 03:08
by Steve Steele
Joined on Sun, Dec 04 2011, Posts 85

Originally Posted by: cojoncio Go to Quoted Post

Could any DP users post their thoughts about how it works?

I'm a Logic Pro user, but at this moment I'm seriously considering start using DP. I'm sick of the Logic's AU limitations and I think this is what I'm looking for.

 

Thanx!!!

I may make a video later but I can tell you it's working perfectly. No more Event plugin or AU concerns. If you've been thinking about switching to DP for those reasons then you'll be very happy. I'm really impressed by Vienna's wise thinking.

If you have any particular questions about how the MAS support works or looks, I'd be glad to answer. Basically though, it's similar to how you'd imagine it looks and works in Cubase under VST3. When I opened my template today I saw all of the MIDI ports and channels like in the image from my earlier post above (the "VSL Winds" menu are all the ports and then the sub-menus are the channels for one instance of VEPro).

Posted on Fri, Feb 27 2015 07:38
by cojoncio
Joined on Tue, Apr 20 2010, Spain, Posts 74

Originally Posted by: thenightwatch Go to Quoted Post

 

I may make a video later but I can tell you it's working perfectly. No more Event plugin or AU concerns. If you've been thinking about switching to DP for those reasons then you'll be very happy. I'm really impressed by Vienna's wise thinking.

If you have any particular questions about how the MAS support works or looks, I'd be glad to answer. Basically though, it's similar to how you'd imagine it looks and works in Cubase under VST3. When I opened my template today I saw all of the MIDI ports and channels like in the image from my earlier post above (the "VSL Winds" menu are all the ports and then the sub-menus are the channels for one instance of VEPro).

Thanx for your answer and help, nightwatch 

I'm glad to know there's a new way for DP users to work. Guess it's time to find some spare time, download the demo and start messing around with it.  By the way, a video would be awesome

Thanks a lot!!

Master: i9 7900x OS X 10.12 Digital Performer
Slaves: i7 3930k. Windows 7 - Mac Pro 12 core. OS X 10.12
Posted on Fri, Feb 27 2015 10:49
by buhardilla
Joined on Thu, Oct 25 2012, Posts 10
Originally Posted by: thenightwatch Go to Quoted Post

In other words, everything just worked without me having to select the MAS version of the VEPro Ensemble Pro, or de-select the AU version in DP. All I had to do was re-connect the instances.
Are these MAS instances, or do I need to merge projects from an AU instance to a MAS instance and then aim my midi tracks to the new instance? Or has this already been taken care of by VEPro?
Thanks!


Brian posted in motunation a couple of advices about VEpro MAS migration proceeding:
*deselect in preferences>plug-in tab all VE pro AU versions and select just MAS versions (I also reverted to Pre Gen mode).
*use remap midi devices function and change old event input midi output to new MAS multiport VE pro instances
That's all.
Mac Pro 5.1 Hexacore. 10.14.4 VEPro | DP10 | Logic Pro X
Posted on Fri, Feb 27 2015 13:34
by williemyers
Joined on Wed, Jul 18 2007, Posts 45

Originally Posted by: thenightwatch Go to Quoted Post
I did this without loading the MAS version of the plugin in DP. Did VEPro somehow already open/convert the instances as MAS instances? In other words, everything just worked without me having to select the MAS version of the VEPro Ensemble Pro, or de-select the AU version in DP. All I had to do was re-connect the instances.
nightwatch, I know this seems sn overly simple amswer, but is it possible that, when you installed the new VEPro5, that you installed *only* the MAS plugin? That's what I did (on purpose) and my system's reacting just as you describe your's, i.e. when I open a VEPro5 server, then DP. then insert a VEPro5 Instance, it's already a MAS Vepro4 Instance - with out me having to make any other selections, re: Au or otherwise?

DigiPerf 8.07, VEPro 5, PTools 10, Sib. 7.5,
OS 10.8.5, MacPro 2.66x8core, 16 Gig RAM, 4 x >120G hds, 2 x 25" LCDs
couple o' hardware synths, loadza (legal) libraries
Kurz Midiboard, MOTU MTP AV
Posted on Sat, Feb 28 2015 07:23
by Steve Steele
Joined on Sun, Dec 04 2011, Posts 85

Originally Posted by: buhardilla Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: thenightwatch Go to Quoted Post

In other words, everything just worked without me having to select the MAS version of the VEPro Ensemble Pro, or de-select the AU version in DP. All I had to do was re-connect the instances.
Are these MAS instances, or do I need to merge projects from an AU instance to a MAS instance and then aim my midi tracks to the new instance? Or has this already been taken care of by VEPro?
Thanks!


Brian posted in motunation a couple of advices about VEpro MAS migration proceeding:
*deselect in preferences>plug-in tab all VE pro AU versions and select just MAS versions (I also reverted to Pre Gen mode).
*use remap midi devices function and change old event input midi output to new MAS multiport VE pro instances
That's all.

Right. I saw this post too. However I have a slightly different situation. I wanted to ask you though. Using PreGen mode works fine? Any issues, or is it a go?

Thanks!

Posted on Sat, Feb 28 2015 07:40
by Steve Steele
Joined on Sun, Dec 04 2011, Posts 85

Originally Posted by: williemyers Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: thenightwatch Go to Quoted Post
I did this without loading the MAS version of the plugin in DP. Did VEPro somehow already open/convert the instances as MAS instances? In other words, everything just worked without me having to select the MAS version of the VEPro Ensemble Pro, or de-select the AU version in DP. All I had to do was re-connect the instances.
nightwatch, I know this seems sn overly simple amswer, but is it possible that, when you installed the new VEPro5, that you installed *only* the MAS plugin? That's what I did (on purpose) and my system's reacting just as you describe your's, i.e. when I open a VEPro5 server, then DP. then insert a VEPro5 Instance, it's already a MAS Vepro4 Instance - with out me having to make any other selections, re: Au or otherwise?

Hi willimmyers! Thanks for the reply. I like to see how things are going to work as I install them (a sort of preemptive troubleshooting mode kicks in). Actually, I did the opposite thing as I wanted to see what would happen if I updated everything. I also generally keep all my main plugins in as many formats as I can, ready for other software.

It still did the same thing that happened to both of us. The only thing I can think of is that DP reverts to a MAS version if a MAS and an AU plugin is installed. So even though my previous version was using AU, when I opened the template this morning, DP and VEPRO just replaced the AU version for the MAS version. Also keep in mind after installation, the VEPro instrument instances were disconnected from their VE instances. When I connected one, it was working with 32 ports and 16 midi channels (the image above was taken as that happened). Whichever the case, AU can not use midi ports and my system is working as discussed so I must be using the MAS version. Only way to find out is to disable the AU plugin in the prefs and see if the instance still works. That will confirm it. I might be able to dig into the xml file somewhere and check that way, but it seems obvious all is well.

Anyway, enjoy or new gift!

Posted on Sat, Feb 28 2015 13:08
by danworks
Joined on Thu, Feb 26 2015, Posts 15

Hi there,

I'm on the second day of a 30 days demo, trying to see if it's really worth substituting my Bidule orchestral setup with VEP5. Despite my silver hair, being the second day with VEP I'm a complete newbie.

At the moment I'm using DP8.07 with server 64 and 32 bit in the same computer, and apart the loooong time to reassign all the input midi tracks of a large templete, everything "seems" to work as expected, which is a good news. But everything isn't completely jolly, there are some quirks.

For example on lauching both VEP server 32 and 64 bit, I had several crashes while validating AU plugin. I'm attaching those logs here.

Another problem I had it happened with MachFive.: while trying to load a MachFive MULTI, MachFive GUI propt to look for a PLACE or DEVICE where the multi should be located. In that moment I had to scroll the MachFive GUI but VEP froze and I had to force quit. This happened to me three times in a row. Workaround I've found is to pop out MachFive from the VEP and everything worked again.

Only one question … VEP seems to totally ignore VST plugin and instrument. I've searched in the pref but there's nothing about it. Am I missing something?

Thank you

ciao

MacPro3.3 - 12Cores/24gig RAM/MacOSX.8.5/512SSD + 256 SSD + 2TB
DP8.07/MOTU 2408mk3/1296/24I-O/MTPAV/UAD2

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Posted on Sat, Feb 28 2015 18:40
by Tripi
Joined on Wed, Sep 23 2009, Posts 16

Working ok for me so far, with one major exception:   tempo changes are causing drop outs and clicks.  I have a dense orchestral cue that plays back perfectly, right up until a ritard near the end.  It goes from 74bpm to 50 bpm in a slow ritard.  As soon as it hits this point in the conductor track, I get all sorts of pops, crackles, dropped notes.  I verified that it plays back fine using the AU plugin.  It seems to have only started on the MAS version (which is awesome btw!).

Anyone else encounter this?

Posted on Sun, Mar 01 2015 02:52
by scalmarc
Joined on Mon, Dec 27 2010, Posts 1

Hey Tripi,

This has actually been a problem for me with the AU plug. too. I get quick stutters and dropouts with tempo changes. BUT, when I print to audio, everything sounds fine. It's just playback that suffers. Definitely annoying, but  not as bad as it would be if things recorded that way!

I haven't switched over to the MAS update yet. Waiting for things to slow down a bit before I take the plunge. Other than the tempo issues, have you noticed any significant performance enhancements? I'm hoping that my stuck and missed note issues go away.

 

Originally Posted by: Tripi Go to Quoted Post

Working ok for me so far, with one major exception:   tempo changes are causing drop outs and clicks.  I have a dense orchestral cue that plays back perfectly, right up until a ritard near the end.  It goes from 74bpm to 50 bpm in a slow ritard.  As soon as it hits this point in the conductor track, I get all sorts of pops, crackles, dropped notes.  I verified that it plays back fine using the AU plugin.  It seems to have only started on the MAS version (which is awesome btw!).

Anyone else encounter this?

Posted on Tue, Mar 03 2015 13:26
by ChrisC
Joined on Wed, Jun 28 2006, Posts 17

Hi, 

Installed the MAS version and changed the plug in preferences as discussed. However, when I open my template or any previous sequences only the shell is loaded, none of the instruments. I can then load my saved metaframe - fine for the template, but for previous sequences, any changes that I made to the metaframe were only saved with the sequence so are to all intense and purpose, lost, unless I revert back to the non-MAS plug in.

Is anyone else having the same problem or could put me right? 

Cheers

ChrisC
Posted on Tue, Mar 03 2015 13:35
by labman
Joined on Tue, Sep 28 2010, Posts 111

Thank you Paul! THank you VSL team ! I so appreciate you providing this MAS version.

Posted on Tue, Mar 03 2015 13:40
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 11376

Hi everybody, 

Thanks for your feedback, it is much appreciated!

I thought I´d keep you in the loop, this is the current situation we´re facing: DP forces the use of MAS over AU even in an AU saved project, so it will not be able to load the data.

In other words: MAS automatically overrides AU, resulting in project data incompatibility. A project saved with VE PRO AU should be loaded with the MAS plugin version disabled.

The best way to migrate existing songs is to disable the MAS plugin in DP, load the project, preserve the instances, reload the project with MAS plugin enabled again, then reconnect the VE PRO instances. 

Of course if the instances are already preserved (which we assume will be the case with most songs), reconnecting the individual VE PRO  plugins will do the trick. 

We´re in touch with MOTU and hope that we can find a better solution for migration. 

Best,
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, Mar 04 2015 10:39
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 11376

Hello again, 

Another update: We have decided to pull VE PRO from MyDownloads and roll back to the previous version until we have fixed the AU/MAS confusion (working on it with high pressure, and it is looking good). 

If you´d like to roll back, please use the VE PRO Uninstaller, this way the MAS plug-in will be completely removed.
I will let you know as soon as the update is available!

If you´d like to accelerate beta-testing, please let me know at , I´ll provide you with the next release candidate as soon as it is ready.

Thanks for your understanding and patience, 

Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, Mar 04 2015 12:32
by Steve Steele
Joined on Sun, Dec 04 2011, Posts 85

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

Hello again, 

Another update: We have decided to pull VE PRO from MyDownloads and roll back to the previous version until we have fixed the AU/MAS confusion (working on it with high pressure, and it is looking good). 

If you´d like to roll back, please use the VE PRO Uninstaller, this way the MAS plug-in will be completely removed.
I will let you know as soon as the update is available!

If you´d like to accelerate beta-testing, please let me know at , I´ll provide you with the next release candidate as soon as it is ready.

Thanks for your understanding and patience, 

Paul

Paul - We DP users support your decision to pull it to get things right! Although I've had no problems, we look forward to the next releaase. In the meantime, I'll sign up for the beta test.

Thanks!

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