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Transposing Trick / Dimension Violins issue
Last post Thu, Jan 21 2016 by JimmyHellfire, 7 replies.
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Posted on Thu, Oct 30 2014 16:54
by javajam
Joined on Sun, Mar 13 2005, Paris, France, Posts 151

So I'm on this thing yet, creating Violins II for Dimension violins.

I've read what has been told about this transposing workaround, ok. I did the trick with "03 VI-P1_RE_perf-leg_noVib" patches.

I thought there was one sample per note and I could go to 1/2 tone pitch (transpose +1, pitch down then) but it's not the case unfortunately. It's quite ok for legato notes (some issues there too btw, pb with A2/A#2). But when playing separate attacked notes, things really don't work as expected:

G#2/A2, A#2/B2, C#3/D3, D#3/E3, F3/F#3, G#3/A3 etc are strictly the same samples. Could anyone tell me about ? I always read about Dimension's one note/one sample :-/

So it looks like +1 transposing should be avoided, even with Dimension and we would have to go to one tone tranposition... Not that good imo...

Posted on Fri, Oct 31 2014 10:49
by javajam
Joined on Sun, Mar 13 2005, Paris, France, Posts 151

Following I re-read all topics about transposition trick. Some say here and there that half-tone transposition is not possible for SE, due to whole-tones sampling, but ok for Instruments Collections and Dimension, regarding the "each semitone sample".

Trying to figure it out I had a look to the Dimension Strings overview and here's what is said:

Full Play Range on Each String

We’ve captured the full play range of each string (approx. one octave plus a fifth)

Should we understand one note/one sample, every semitone ? I'm sorry to say that's not true. I had a further test with Sustain, Staccato, fp, sfz patches. Behaviour is the same. Dimension are not sampled by each semitone.

Conclusion is: HALF-TONE TRANSPOSITION TRICK SHOULD BE DEFINATELY AVOIDED WITH DIMENSION VIOLINS. Whole-tone is ok.

Maybe I'm missing something so please let me know if you have any idea about.

Posted on Sun, Nov 23 2014 17:31
by javajam
Joined on Sun, Mar 13 2005, Paris, France, Posts 151

Anyone encountered this ?

Posted on Mon, Nov 24 2014 06:22
by Casiquire
Joined on Sat, May 01 2010, Posts 325

I haven't tried doubling since DImension Strings is used in addition to other divisi strings so I have strings overloaded, coming out of everywhere.  But I too would like clarification in case I ever do want to double them since my habit is to double by transposing a half-tone.

Posted on Wed, Feb 04 2015 19:18
by javajam
Joined on Sun, Mar 13 2005, Paris, France, Posts 151

Back to transposition, again...

So I'll definitely go to 1 tone up as told before. I would have been pleased to have some clarification from Vienna staff btw...

One question: still no way to have some global pitch down on VI pro? Is the CC pitch within DAW the only way to go?

Posted on Wed, Jan 20 2016 23:49
by brunodegazio
Joined on Thu, May 20 2010, Toronto, Canada, Posts 14

I'm interested in getting this to work properly too.  It would be great if there was a way to implement the transposition entirely within VIPro, without using the pitchbend control. 

Perhaps someone on the VI Staff can desribe the recommended method for getting a 2nd Violins from Dimension Strings? 

Bruno

Bruno Degazio
Posted on Thu, Jan 21 2016 06:14
by JimmyHellfire
Joined on Tue, Dec 24 2013, Posts 322

Originally Posted by: javajam Go to Quoted Post

One question: still no way to have some global pitch down on VI pro? Is the CC pitch within DAW the only way to go?

VI Pro does have a global pitch slider.

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