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Posted on Wed, Jun 15 2011 02:49
by JBlongz
Joined on Sun, Jan 09 2011, United States, Posts 47

What are the possibilities of Vienna Ensemble Pro streaming through tunderbolt?  I ask because I noticed that large sessions get the network card pretty hot when streaming  15MB/s.  Thunderbolt seems ready to take on more than just hard drives and its bandwith makes you want to breach the limit.  The only limitation I see is the current lack of a thunderbolt switch to make use of multiple slaves.  Perhaps Apple needs to be asked about that.

Retina MacBook Pro 2.8GHz Quad i7 16GB 768 SSD
Mac Mini 2.3 GHz Quad i7 16GB 512 SSD
Posted on Sun, Jun 19 2011 15:05
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9042

though thunderbolt is a great connectivity (up to 20 Mbit/sec) for PCIe-like devices and display signals to my knowledge it cannot be mapped to a network layer.

so it would be restricted to any point-to-point type connections, though some controllers would allow daisy-chaining.

 

in former OS X and windows versions it was possible to run ethernet over firewire, but i'd assume we won't see this for thunderbolt.

and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Thu, Sep 15 2011 01:58
by colony nofi
Joined on Thu, Aug 19 2010, Posts 23

As it happens, thunderbolt can carry GigaEthernet - but you need a "translation" layer - ie, a "hub" to use it.... in which case, it is not that different to just plugging it into your computer.  The new mac displays (connected by tbolt) have a gigaEthernet socket, and the new belkin thunderbolt hub has usb, fw and gigaEthernet ports. 

I do not know of the ability "yet" to directly network 2 computers thru connecting up thunderbolt cables.  I assume that if it happens (if it hasn't already) it would be thru still using a ethernet IP layer within the thunderbolt connect.  I would expect this to occur at some stage given current implementations / uses of the tbolt technology.

Cheers! Brendan.

Posted on Thu, Sep 15 2011 16:38
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9042

hmmm, i couldn't find any hint that thunderbolt can carry gigabit ethernet, the specification says display port signals and up to 4 PCIe lanes.

 

this means you can plug a gigabit ethernet adapter (or some device which is providing a gigabit ethernet port) to your thundebolt bus, but then again you need a gigabit cable to a second gigabit adapter to get a TCP/IP connection between 2 computers.

 

formerly it has been possible to have TCP/IP connections over firewire, but this has been dropped with OS X 10.6 and windows vista ...

and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Tue, Feb 21 2012 04:42
by JBlongz
Joined on Sun, Jan 09 2011, United States, Posts 47

Thunderbolt does support Gigabit ethernat and Belkin's adapter will be an example this.

Retina MacBook Pro 2.8GHz Quad i7 16GB 768 SSD
Mac Mini 2.3 GHz Quad i7 16GB 512 SSD
Posted on Tue, Feb 21 2012 10:14
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9042

once again:

Quote:
Thunderbolt combines PCI Express and DisplayPort into a serial data interface that can be carried over longer and less costly cables.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)

 

whatever adapter you decide to connect at the end of the cable - as long as it supports the PCIe standard and does not require more than 4 lanes.

gigabit, an audio interface, SATA, firewire, USB, HDSP-modem, a flipper ... you name it, you invent it ...

and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Thu, Jul 11 2013 10:45
by Richard Ford
Joined on Thu, Nov 25 2010, Posts 31
I'm looking at this too - using a brand new macbook which has no ethernet port - would I be best off attempting to try this by buying a) a tbolt to ethernet adaptor at the macbook end - or b) a pcie card for my Mac pro with thunderbolt on it? -

I also wondered if doing this I could get the macbook to see the samples already existing on internal sata drives in my Mac Pro and effectively do no more than use my macbook's processing power to increase the overall power of the system. i can see the odd license issue arising - but i wondered how many people had at least looked at some of these experiments.
Posted on Tue, May 13 2014 13:01
by hurozan
Joined on Sat, Mar 08 2014, Posts 2
Hi,

Is there any plan in the future to run VE Pro Via ThunderBolt?

OR,

Will it always remain as gigabit ethernet?
Posted on Tue, May 13 2014 16:51
by dbudde
Joined on Sun, Mar 02 2003, Seattle,WA USA, Posts 444

IP over Thunderbolt is supported in OS X 10.9.  See here for info about performance:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1657957

Posted on Wed, May 14 2014 07:04
by sac.music_lover99
Joined on Thu, Sep 22 2011, Posts 36

OSX 10.9 supports automatic setup of IP over Thunderbolt. I use it to connect my MacBook Pro Retina and my iMac. I haven't had a chance to try VEP5 over Thunderbolt as yet but I would be surprised if it didn't just work.

If you want more info on IP over Thunderbolt you can check out this article: http://arstechnica.com/apple/2013/10/os-x-10-9-brings-fast-but-choppy-thunderbolt-networking/.

Posted on Mon, Mar 09 2015 14:38
by Bod
Joined on Sun, Apr 01 2012, Posts 5

I may be way behind here, but for those that just picked up this thread, the Thunderbolt bridge is working for me on a mac book 15 retina running OS 10.9.5 and a macbook air (Slave) running 10.10.2 connected with a thunderbolt cable.

It is worth noting that the VE Pro5 server interface did not automatically see the the macbook air as available. I typed the IP of the MB Air into the Slave Address in VE Pro Server interface and viola, it connected.

Posted on Tue, May 31 2016 19:55
by JamesPDX
Joined on Fri, May 01 2015, USA, Posts 48

Hello, I'm late to this as well. Is VEP5 over Thunderbolt still working?

Please and thank you...

James Long
PC & Mac, Windows 10 and Mojave
Pro Tools 2019.x
VEP 7.x
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