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Emotional Piano Quartet
Last post Fri, Nov 04 2016 by Acclarion, 8 replies.
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Posted on Mon, Oct 17 2016 16:33
by Acclarion
Joined on Sat, Aug 15 2015, Canada, Eh!, Posts 436

The promised land flows with milk and honey.  There is a yearning to reach it, but this gift comes at a cost.  It is an epic journey filled with trial and tribulation, but the weary travellers carry with them a jubilant spirit full of optimism and hope.

My new piano quartet:  VSL solo strings (standard library) and Kontakt New York piano.  Please feel free to listen, comment, and enjoy!

Emotional Piano Quartet

Thanks,
David Carovillano

www.dearvillainmusic.com - music for live performance by David Carovillano

www.acclarion.ca - concert accordion & clarinet duo
Posted on Sun, Oct 23 2016 15:45
by Jos Wylin
Joined on Mon, Dec 03 2012, Flanders, Belgium, Posts 579

Hi David,

I must say that I'm very fond of the piano part, but for some reason (and I'm problably not the right person with the right knowledge and technical baggage to tell) the strings don't sound very realistic to me. Is it due to the choice of articuations, to the playing techniques, to the rendition? I don't know. 

The whole piece is a fine composition with lots of performance possibilities, but the presentation here doens't honour the role of the strings (in my opinion) and is therfore not convincing enough. Maybe you should experiment more with the countless number of detailed articulations offered by VSL. I know, this is tiring and very demanding, but finally the effort is rewarding.

I hope I didn't offend you by telling my opnion and as I said, I'm far from being a specialist in VSL matters. Most certainly you will have your own ideas and reasons for the interpretation and they are at least equally valuable.

Thank you for sharing,

Max

http://www.joswyl.be
compositions and sampling exercises
Posted on Mon, Oct 24 2016 20:03
by Acclarion
Joined on Sat, Aug 15 2015, Canada, Eh!, Posts 436

Hi Max,

So glad you like the piece.  This is Becky (David's other half) - I usually do the midi mock-ups for David (like "Chasing Brilliance") but we were in a rush with this one to get it ready for a competition so he did it instead. David played in all the solo piano parts and then spent a long time adjusting velocities, sustain pedalling, quantizing runs with a random swing for the rest of the piano parts which were imported into our DAW from Finale.

Funny you should mention the unrealistic strings because after the rendition was done, I noticed David had the velocity cross-fade on the entire time, matching the expression curve which was creating double dynamics. It makes for a highly expressive and emotional performance but the strings almost sound amplified like electric violins and are not very realistic.  But I admit that since we only have the basic articulations for the solo strings, the velocity crossfade does help to sometimes create a progressive vibrato as it moves from one layer to the next - this will have to suffice until we upgrade our library. :)

Matching the velxfade and expression is how we used to do the mock-ups before I learned how to turn the velocity cross-fade on and off.  Now I only turn it on for crescendi/decrescendi or expressive timbre changes or to smooth out a line, always listening closely to see if it starts to sound unnaturally amplified.  It also gives me a better control over knowing exactly what velocity layer I'm using at all times. Once I discovered this work flow, I re-did his Classical Follies for String Orchestra, his first string quartet, and used this method this Chasing Brilliance and Fantasia. We had no time to rework this one but hope that the performers who are judging the competition will be excited by the depth of expression in the midi mock-up enough to want to perform it and then prove they can do a better job! :)

All the best!
Becky (and David)

www.dearvillainmusic.com - music for live performance by David Carovillano

www.acclarion.ca - concert accordion & clarinet duo
Posted on Sat, Oct 29 2016 03:36
by agitato
Joined on Mon, Jun 22 2015, Posts 332

This is quite a nice composition. I liked it a lot.

It is not eay to write for piano, let alone piano and strings and you seemed to have accomplished the tough task of keeping the harmony and form interesting, and at a mature level.  Congrats to both of you.

But I agree with Max that the rendition of the strings does not do justice to the piece. 

 

Please do post this if you have a live recording of this. Would love to hear it.

Anand

Anand Kumar
Posted on Sat, Oct 29 2016 15:27
by Jos Wylin
Joined on Mon, Dec 03 2012, Flanders, Belgium, Posts 579

Hi Becky and David,

I agree with Anand, this is a fine composition and will definitely find a place in the competition. A mock-up is only a helping means, the score is for the jury the ultimate tool to judge upon. A composition stands with the real music, not with a technical representation and so it should/must be. (Composers write music, they are not technicians in most cases). David is very lucky to have Becky at his side: thus he can concentrate on the essence itself, wheras his lovely wife does the sacrifice of the meticulous work of sampling... I envy him a lot!

Thank you both again for the nice and inspiring work!

Max

http://www.joswyl.be
compositions and sampling exercises
Posted on Sat, Oct 29 2016 16:54
by Acclarion
Joined on Sat, Aug 15 2015, Canada, Eh!, Posts 436

Thanks Max and Anand for your comments!

This morning, I went back and re-did a short few bars of the strings without "riding" the velocity crossfade and adjusting the articulations slightly.   It's probably not a long enough excerpt to judge if the articulations are more realistic but I am interested in your feeback since neither Dave nor I are string players.  I'm curious which timbre you prefer as a string player and also imagining as an average listener which performance would grasp you more in terms of emotional gesture (if you can get that from this super short excerpt).

We have loads more music to work on so your feedback will help us have a better idea of direction to pursue in terms of timbre and workflow. 

Here's the link - each sample is 10 seconds long:

http://www.acclarion.ca/mp3/thepromisedlandxfadecomparison.mp3 
 
Thanks,
Becky & David

 
www.dearvillainmusic.com - music for live performance by David Carovillano

www.acclarion.ca - concert accordion & clarinet duo
Posted on Fri, Nov 04 2016 16:51
by Jos Wylin
Joined on Mon, Dec 03 2012, Flanders, Belgium, Posts 579

Hi David,

Sorry for the delay, but we had lots of other things to do here at home.

The link to the extract seems not to work.. So I can't listen. I'll get back later.

All the best,

Max

http://www.joswyl.be
compositions and sampling exercises
Posted on Fri, Nov 04 2016 17:39
by Acclarion
Joined on Sat, Aug 15 2015, Canada, Eh!, Posts 436

Sorry about that - the link should work now.

- Becky

http://www.acclarion.ca/mp3/thepromisedlandxfadecomparison.mp3 

www.dearvillainmusic.com - music for live performance by David Carovillano

www.acclarion.ca - concert accordion & clarinet duo
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