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Question routing MIR in VEPRO Mixer
Last post Sat, Jan 07 2017 by Dietz, 4 replies.
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Posted on Wed, Jan 04 2017 23:25
by Acclarion
Joined on Sat, Aug 15 2015, Canada, Eh!, Posts 436

Does it make a difference where MIR is inserted in the VEPRO 5 mixer?  When I would auto add MIR Pro, sometimes it would appear right below the FX row, other times it would add it below the sends row (like the two circled channels on the attached jpg).  For the audio inputs it would always put MIR under the sends row. I would like to make them all consistent in my template if I can.  Will moving them change anything?

Thanks,

Becky

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Posted on Thu, Jan 05 2017 15:37
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7224

Hi Becky,

everything matters. ;-)

VE Pro 5 will always try to process audio from top to bottom - unless you tell it to do differently. 8-) I tried to cover most of the possible scenarios in the Tutorial sections of MIR Pro's manual, starting with p. 37. But I have to admit that some of the screenshots are out-dated due to the fact that VE Pro has developed quite a bit since 2012.

I'll try to summarize the most important points for you, therefore:

1. In most cases, MIR Pro will replace any panning-device in you processing chain. IOW: Any panner/balancer etc. will change (and most likely destroy) MIR Pro's output. The screenshot you posted shows some bypassed Stereo Panners; personally, I tend to remove them completely, to avoid any errors.

2. Any plug-in you use before MIR Pro will change just the signal you send into MIR; consequently, any plug-in you instatiate after MIR will also affect its output, thus the room and positioning. As a rule of thumb, all time-variant, non-linear and level-dependent processings like compression, modulation, delay effects, additional reverb, saturation etc. will produce different results when used pre- or post-MIR. EQ and filters (i.e. linear, time-invariant processing) on the other hand will give you more or less identical sound both pre- and post-MIR. 

3a. VE Pro's 5 AUX-Sends can be set to derive their signal pre- or post-fader. (... right-click an AUX-send to switch it pre-fade - the fader-path will appear in orange now instead of the usual light-blue). Quite logically, a post-fade AUX will always receive its signal from "the bottom" of the channel ("after the fader"), so all plug-ins will have an audible effect. The position of the AUX-Send fader is irrelevant, in this case.

3b. BUT! :-) As soon as you switch an AUX-send to pre-fade, its position within the channel does indeed make a difference! You can have (all) your pre-fade sends with or without the effect of certain plug-ins, depending wether you move the faders to a position before or after these insert slots. - As an example, you could send an uncompressed signal component into an effect-bus for some dynamic echoes, while you compress the signal afterwards, before it reaches MIR inside the same instrument channel.

... I hope these lines shed some light on the topic. :-)

Kind regards,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sat, Jan 07 2017 22:11
by Acclarion
Joined on Sat, Aug 15 2015, Canada, Eh!, Posts 436

Dietz,

I was getting confused by the slightly different images in the manual so thanks for the clarification and for the detailed response.  I'm guessing that as long as I don't have any other effects in the chain prior to adding MIR, it doesn't matter where I've added MIR but I should really plan where I intend to place it if I choose to add more effects later. So far, all I use is the MIR EQ, then MIR pro since I don't have Vienna's compression etc.

Thanks also for mentioning it's better to just delete the stereo panning then just bypassing it.  I always wanted to have my panning still available in case I decide not to use MIR for a project, but who am I kidding - I've only been using MIR since I've gotten it.

Thanks again,

Becky

www.dearvillainmusic.com - music for live performance by David Carovillano

www.acclarion.ca - concert accordion & clarinet duo
Posted on Sat, Jan 07 2017 23:28
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7224

You're welcome, Becky!

There's nothing wrong with keeping the panner bypassed, it's more some kind of personal preference that I tend to get rid of them as soon as MIR is part of the equation. :-)

Kind regards,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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