Welcome Guest! To enable all features please Login or Register.

Notification

Icon
Error

Forum Jump  
View Scaling with VE Pro and VI Pro
Last post Wed, Dec 20 2017 by josef.xuereb, 16 replies.
Options
Go to last post
Posted on Thu, Apr 16 2015 16:16
by DaddyO
Joined on Tue, May 22 2012, San Antonio, TX, Posts 310

I searched this forum for "View Scaling" and came up empty, and I couldn't think of any alternative search terms. Has the subject of view scaling for VE Pro and VI Pro come up previously on this forum?

By view scaling I mean the ability primarily to enlarge (but also to shrink should one ever want to) the view scale of these programs. I've seen people complain about the small fonts, and I seem to recall the answer being that this is a function of one's screen resolution. But isn't view scaling possible within an existing screen resolution? I believe so. At least it seems like some other programs expand the view scale in concordance with drag-expanding a window.

VSL Std Edition Core WW, Brass, Percussion
VSL Spec Editions Complete
VE Pro, VI Pro, MIR Pro
Windows 10
Cubase, Dorico
Posted on Sun, Jan 17 2016 10:55
by mspape
Joined on Mon, Oct 09 2006, Posts 45

Hi, this is starting to become important with Windows running in resolutions at high DPI. Many programs do indeed scale well (e.g. Cubase does) with Windows setting "Change the size of text, apps and other items: " - mine is currently running at 175% on a Surface Pro 4. However, Vienna Instruments and such totally ignore the setting, meaning it looks TINY on my screen. I think this kind of thing does work in the OSX version of the software, so would it be possible to implement a scaling Vienna Instruments / Ensemble in Windows? Or even just a setting "blow up everything x 2" i'd be happy with.

Posted on Wed, Jan 20 2016 08:13
by mspape
Joined on Mon, Oct 09 2006, Posts 45

Anyone reading this? Perhaps I was making it sound like this wasn't a big problem:

* Vienna Instruments / VIPro / Vienna Ensemble are all about the size of my phone when displayed at high DPI, it's nearly unreadable.

* Almost all new Windows PCs (laptops) are at high DPI and resolutions.

In other words: most Vienna software is at risk of becoming unusable for people on Windows who have less than stellar eyes. Please implement at least some form of scaling other than "just run a low resolution".

Thanks!

Posted on Wed, Jan 20 2016 08:18
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Liechtenstein, Posts 1716

You can rest assured that we are working on improving HiDPI support, product by product. The first product to introduce proper HiDPI support was Vienna Suite Pro. 

--
Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Wed, Jan 20 2016 19:39
by mspape
Joined on Mon, Oct 09 2006, Posts 45

Thanks, great to hear this!

Posted on Fri, Feb 19 2016 12:57
by Resident
Joined on Mon, Nov 16 2015, Posts 5

Another month and still no update.

Please can you fix this scaling issue ASAP for Vienna Ensemble Pro for Windows - it is a huge problem. 

I am using a MacBook Pro with bootcamp, and it's unusable. Same for my Surface Pro, or indeeed ANY laptop with a high resolution screen - which is going to be all new high end laptops now. Remember customers who buy expensive equipment can rely on software such as yours for their living.

This is a big oversight and is disappointing for a company such as yours.

Posted on Fri, Feb 19 2016 13:22
by Bill
Joined on Fri, Sep 23 2005, Berkshires. MA USA, Posts 895

This is something that will come with a version update, not just an incremental one.

Finale 25, Sibelius 2018, Notion 6, Overture 5, Cubase 10.0.2
Win10 x64, 32GB RAM; Focusrite Scarlett 18i20
Kontakt, Bunch of VSL, VIP, VEP, EWQL Orch, Choir and Pianos
August Forster 190
Posted on Tue, Apr 19 2016 08:18
by mspape
Joined on Mon, Oct 09 2006, Posts 45

You say this because you're developing this? I imagine that you are right, but that doesn't invalidate the necessity of implementing this sooner rather than later.

I get that a good scaling UI is hard to implement, but right now a quick hack (e.g. an options for upsizing every UI element x 2) would be better than anything, because VI/VE/VIP on high DPI remains broken. Imagine I just bought the latest new (Windows) system and decide to try VSL products for the first time, wondering if i should dish out a couple of thousands on libraries. Surely, I'd be a group one would focus on to impress.

Posted on Tue, Oct 04 2016 22:25
by mspape
Joined on Mon, Oct 09 2006, Posts 45

Hi,

Time to bump this. It's been half a year, any news on this topic? Actually, I am kind of worried about the lack of any kind of update on the core software. Well, I imagine that is sampling, but perhaps I'm wrong here!

Posted on Tue, Oct 04 2016 22:51
by DaddyO
Joined on Tue, May 22 2012, San Antonio, TX, Posts 310

Originally Posted by: mspape Go to Quoted Post

Hi,

Time to bump this. It's been half a year, any news on this topic? Actually, I am kind of worried about the lack of any kind of update on the core software. Well, I imagine that is sampling, but perhaps I'm wrong here!

VSL has three primary software programs, Vienna Instruments Pro, Vienna Suite Pro, and MIR Pro

November 2015 -- VSL released Vienna Suite Pro, a major upgrade to Vienna Suite that included view scaling.

August 2016 - VSL released Vienna Ensemble Pro 6, a significant upgrade that among other things added Retina display support.

??? - Vienna Instruments is no doubt next in line for a facelift. When, who can say. But you can bet they have plans to make graphics upgrades. I would say updating two of their three major software titles is significant work in less than a year. We might expect it some time next year. Just my take on it. 

VSL Std Edition Core WW, Brass, Percussion
VSL Spec Editions Complete
VE Pro, VI Pro, MIR Pro
Windows 10
Cubase, Dorico
Posted on Wed, Oct 05 2016 20:23
by mspape
Joined on Mon, Oct 09 2006, Posts 45

Hi,

I've been buying Vienna Symphonic Library products for years now, it's my favourite company, please don't think I'm slamming them. So when I say I believe this is their core software (VI, that is, perhaps not even VIP), I don't mean to sound like a pathetic gamer who feels mistreated for my favourite product not being updated as much as I unreasonably feel it should. Instead, I would argue, VI ought to more prioritised than anything else, because without it, we can't play the samples, and in the end, we buy VIP, VEP, VS, MIR, and so on, to get more out of these samples. I'm sure a lot of people use VS and MIR for more than just VI and the samples, but the greatest attraction is surely how nicely it builds on top of the samples (triggered in VI), as is recognised by the company, evidenced by the collection of specialised presets.

Anyway, I'm not here to argue, and as someone who's dabbled in programming quite a bit I understand it is easier to build scaling from the ground up than rewrite the old code, and actually pretty boring to work on getting old stuff to still work in a new age! I would, however, like to hear someone from the company saying this is in the pipeline, that they're still developing these products, because it's been quite quiet for a while now (last update in February, wasn't it?), while the first request down below was from a year and a half ago.

Best,

MS

Posted on Wed, Oct 05 2016 22:03
by DaddyO
Joined on Tue, May 22 2012, San Antonio, TX, Posts 310

Originally Posted by: mspape Go to Quoted Post

Hi,

I've been buying Vienna Symphonic Library products for years now, it's my favourite company, please don't think I'm slamming them. So when I say I believe this is their core software (VI, that is, perhaps not even VIP), I don't mean to sound like a pathetic gamer who feels mistreated for my favourite product not being updated as much as I unreasonably feel it should. Instead, I would argue, VI ought to more prioritised than anything else, because without it, we can't play the samples, and in the end, we buy VIP, VEP, VS, MIR, and so on, to get more out of these samples. I'm sure a lot of people use VS and MIR for more than just VI and the samples, but the greatest attraction is surely how nicely it builds on top of the samples (triggered in VI), as is recognised by the company, evidenced by the collection of specialised presets.

Anyway, I'm not here to argue, and as someone who's dabbled in programming quite a bit I understand it is easier to build scaling from the ground up than rewrite the old code, and actually pretty boring to work on getting old stuff to still work in a new age! I would, however, like to hear someone from the company saying this is in the pipeline, that they're still developing these products, because it's been quite quiet for a while now (last update in February, wasn't it?), while the first request down below was from a year and a half ago.

Best,

MS

Regards, MS.

It was not my intent to make you feel like a pathetic gamer, though in rereading my post I can see how it might be taken that way. Nor was it my intent to argue. My only intent was to lend some perspective to what I concur is a legitimate hope for scaling in all VSL core software.

Like you, I anxiously await any word on VI Pro 3. From my experience, perhaps yours as well, VSL releases new versions of its core software on fairly short notice, informing us of what's included only at that point.

If I am correct in surmising that a new version of VI Pro will come no sooner than next year, then we're still at least several months away from any news. Hope I'm wrong, though.

VSL Std Edition Core WW, Brass, Percussion
VSL Spec Editions Complete
VE Pro, VI Pro, MIR Pro
Windows 10
Cubase, Dorico
Posted on Wed, Mar 08 2017 08:45
by mspape
Joined on Mon, Oct 09 2006, Posts 45

It appears you were not wrong - sooner than next year came and went, and another half a year passed.

I have to fiddle with VI/VIP at a distance of ca. 5 cm in order to see something, it's more or less impossible to look for something and it is the reason I haven't bought a single library in the last year and a half or so.

Any chance that this will be updated a bit sooner than later? How about a single switch that at least circumvents the issue by blowing the whole interface up by a factor 2?

Best,

MS

Posted on Wed, Mar 08 2017 13:16
by Paul McGraw
Joined on Mon, Feb 29 2016, Georgia, USA, Posts 394

I have the same problem with text too small to read. I deal with the issue using the Windows Magnifier feature. I am still using Windows 7, so I do not know if it is available in Windows 10.

In Windows 7 open the start menu and type "Magnifier" in the search box. This has helped me significantly.

I hope it is of some help to you.

Posted on Mon, Jun 12 2017 21:44
by mspape
Joined on Mon, Oct 09 2006, Posts 45

Hi,

Thanks, this works somewhat - though about as well as using an actual magnifier, not the most pleasant experience!

Here's perhaps a better fix: find the Vienna Ensemble.exe (mine in program files > vienna), right click, properties, compatibility tab, select Override high DPI scaling behaviour, and change to System or System Enhanced. Now the application will be blown up by a factor defined by system. I believe this is somewhat new, perhaps a Creator's Update or so. It's less than ideal, obviously, as things won't look as crisp as they would on real scaling; basically we're just doubling pixels here. But for everybody who doesn't have laser-eyes, or wants to use an analog/digital magnifier, it works much better.

Hope that helps!

Best,

MS

Posted on Wed, Dec 20 2017 17:14
by josef.xuereb
Joined on Tue, Mar 08 2016, Posts 1
Any update on HiDPI support? At this day and age VE and VI Pro are becoming almost unusable...
Josef Xuereb
Symphonic Cube + DL instruments
Win 10, Core i7 Skylake, 16GB RAM
Cubase Pro 9.5, Sibelius 8.6
You cannot post new threads in this forum.
You cannot reply to threads in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.