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Posted on Sun, Oct 15 2017 01:59
by nektarios
Joined on Tue, Nov 19 2013, New Jersey, United States, Posts 469

Wow, that is awesome! 

_____

Cubase Pro 8, Windows 7 64 bit @ 64 GB RAM
Dual Intel Xeon E5-2687W @ 3.10GHz
Dimension Strings (Full)
Chamber Strings I+II (Full)
Appassionata Strings I+II (Full)
Orchestral Strings I+II (Full)
Solo Strings I (Full)
Vienna Imperial
Saxophones (Full)
Woodwinds I (Full)
Brass II (Full)
Dimension Brass (Full)
Upright Bass
Percussion (Full)
Overdrive
Jazz Drums
Vienna Choir
Soprano Choir
Solo Voices (Full)
Posted on Mon, Oct 16 2017 03:00
by yilalatavsl
Joined on Tue, Nov 03 2015, Posts 41

I have already bought it

SYNCHRON STRINGS I

 

 

 

 

SYNCHRON STRINGS I include all these instruments?

 

 

 

The sections of 1st violins (14), 2nd violins (10), violas (8), cellos (8), and double basses (6)

Posted on Mon, Oct 16 2017 09:43
by HSM1
Joined on Thu, Oct 25 2012, Frankfurt, Germany, Posts 33



Actually, I do use other libraries such as Berlin Strings and only reason I ever used anyone else was too much better legato script, short note attacks and huge detail sampled short/long articulations, etc. You didn't just take user feedback seriously.

Have you made decision yet on any usefull articulations as bellow ?

Legato Slurred, Expressive
Legato Agile
Legato Fingered
Ostinato Arpeggio Legato slow/fast


Spiccatissimo
Spiccato
Spiccato Exposed
Staccato
Staccato Bold
Martele FFF
Portato Short
Portato Long
Repetitions slow/fast
Blurred Spiccato
Blurred Staccato
Blurred Portato


Flageolet Sustain
Sustain Soft
Sustain Immediate
Sustain Accented
Sustain Expressive Dyn (Short expr.)
Sustain Expressive Dyn (Long expr.)


Sul Ponticello Leg
Sul Ponticello Tremolo
Sul Ponticello Tremolo Accented
Sul Ponticello Staccato
Sul Ponticello Sustain
Sul Tasto Legato
Sul Tasto Portato Short
Sul Tasto Portato Long
Sul Tasto Sustain Immediate
Sul Tasto Sustain Soft
Sul Tasto Tremolo

http://softwarearchitectblogs.wordpress.com/

Dimension Strings, Orchestral Tools Berlin Strings, Spitfire Audio Chamber Strings, Spitfire Audio Symphonic Strings,
Hollywood Strings, LA Scoring Strings, Hollywood Brass, Symphonic Choirs, Symphonic Orchestra
Posted on Mon, Oct 16 2017 11:50
by fahl5
Joined on Fri, Feb 04 2005, Göttingen, Posts 956

Hm, you know the Berlin Strings than so you will know that their 

  • section size is something between an a bit to small symphonic or a bit to large chamber ensemble
  • it comes without any real recorded con sordino samples at all.
  • and it has not more mic-posittions then the standard version of the SyStr. and
  • ithas just half of the amount of velocitylayers ( not to talk abot the large amount of Variants recorded for each articulationtype in SyStr.)

The Berlin Strings Articulationlist seems to be impressive on the first glance, but as far as I understood VSL SyStr. is nothing more than a Volme 1.

I am pretty sure that a Volume II will include not only an original sordino articulationset as we know it from VSL (I expect also the Sul Pont, Sul Tasto, Harmonics articulations we have got for all previous VSL stringlibraries).

But yes the different legatotypes seem to be not that different if you compare just the names. But again when it comes to recorded Variants and Vel.Layers the SyStr seem to provide that much more real recorded details of the stringsound that scripting must not so much alter synthetically the recorded Stringsound as it seem to me pretty audible the case for the Berlin Strings

However Lets wait what the audible reality of SyStr will be, since technical details and features are one side. Viennese Strings another

http://libraries.resampled.de/index.php
four parallel interpretations of ambitious classical scores with up to twelve different Libraries

http://beethoven.resampled.de
currently the first four Symphonies of L.v.Beethoven completly recorded with the finest available orchestra samplelibraries (BBCSO, SSO, STO)

http://klassik-resampled.de
Currently 4330 mp3 with more than a whole Week (=more than 8 Days /=nearly 200 hours) of sample based interpretations of complete Scores from 7 Centuries
Posted on Mon, Oct 16 2017 16:01
by mschmitt
Joined on Mon, Jan 01 2007, Posts 154

Originally Posted by: Tensivity Go to Quoted Post

  • What's in the standard versus the full library?  Am I really going to shell out another 350 clams for it without knowing what the contents are?  

From the product description

"The Standard Library and Full Library of Synchron Strings I both include the same articulations. The difference lies in the number of provided microphone positions"

Full Cube and lots of other stuff
Posted on Tue, Oct 17 2017 10:49
by slicee
Joined on Wed, May 28 2008, Posts 2
Yes I agree. VSL is the best to work with. I own many libraries and I am short before, buying Synchron Strings. But please VSL Crew give us some more examples to hear!!! And one more question, is the new player included? Best regards Kalle Koerner
Mac 2x2.6GHz Six -Core Intel Xeon/40GB Ram/
RME Fireface 800/ ProTools10 / Logic Studio Studio One3
Posted on Tue, Oct 17 2017 17:32
by johnstaf
Joined on Thu, Apr 21 2011, EI, Posts 216

My initial impression was that this would be a great library to have, but I'm happy with Dimension Strings etc. However, with 8 dynamic layers this could be something really different. I feel this could be one of those libraries that fills a need that I didn't know I had, and that is exciting. The player seems like it could be a great timeseaver as well for quick mockups.

Cubase (OS agnostic). Various VSL bits and pieces.

Posted on Tue, Oct 17 2017 18:55
by Sing4doe
Joined on Sat, Jun 18 2005, Posts 88

Any first reactions to Synchron Strings I? 

I have a lot of other VSL libraries along with MIR and the Synchron stage pack so I'm a little leary of jumping in without having more information about what this will do that what I already have won't. The new Synchron player appears to be a key element and we don't know when that will be available. 

Snything that simpliefies the process and makes it more intuitive is great but sure would be nice to hear what you think.

Geoff

Posted on Thu, Oct 19 2017 11:07
by tek0010
Joined on Wed, Jun 17 2015, Posts 50

Originally Posted by: jc5 Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: nektarios Go to Quoted Post

Can someone explain what this means from the product info page: "We’ve developed a new sampling process wherein all performances are recorded and edited at 'fixed gain'"?

I am assuming it means that the natural dynamic levels of each layer are captured in relation to each other so that the correct dynamic range of the instrument is preserved, also preserving the natural balance with the other instruments.

VSL's position is that that "natural dynamic levels" and "correct dynamic range" cannot be provided by sample libraries, because they are somehow subjective concepts:

Quote:
I'm a mixing music professionally since almost 30 years now, and I've not once felt the necessity to stick to any kind of rule for finding a good balance between all the elements involved  (... "good" in the sense of: Plausible and pleasing, not according to a code).

And in those cases where the balance wasn't _that_ good in the end, a list of values wouldn't have helped a lot, believe me!   

;-)

To coin a phrase: When we talk about the "realism" of virtual orchestration (or any kind of recorded music, actually), we don't mean the raw, merciless realism of a surveillance camera, but rather the well-shaped, thoroughly designed and edited visual impression of a movie.

Quote:
There's no formula to define "the" microphone (or a human ear drum in the real world.), though. Two types of microphones will give you different results, even when they're put in the the same position. Two audio engineers will create differernt results when asked to re-create their impressions (or their idea) of an orchestra playing in a certain space.

Quote:
... a presumed "scientific volume" of an instrument on a stage. So many variables with fuzzy definitions: Which instrument? Who's the player? What notes were played? ... And: Who has been listening?

https://www.vsl.co.at/community/posts/t41142p2-MIRx-natural-volume-without-MIRx?=#post247133

Posted on Thu, Oct 19 2017 13:12
by jc5
Joined on Wed, Jan 26 2005, Posts 180

Originally Posted by: tek0010 Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: jc5 Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: nektarios Go to Quoted Post

Can someone explain what this means from the product info page: "We’ve developed a new sampling process wherein all performances are recorded and edited at 'fixed gain'"?

I am assuming it means that the natural dynamic levels of each layer are captured in relation to each other so that the correct dynamic range of the instrument is preserved, also preserving the natural balance with the other instruments.

VSL's position is that that "natural dynamic levels" and "correct dynamic range" cannot be provided by sample libraries, because they are somehow subjective concepts:

Quote:
I'm a mixing music professionally since almost 30 years now, and I've not once felt the necessity to stick to any kind of rule for finding a good balance between all the elements involved  (... "good" in the sense of: Plausible and pleasing, not according to a code).

And in those cases where the balance wasn't _that_ good in the end, a list of values wouldn't have helped a lot, believe me!   

;-)

To coin a phrase: When we talk about the "realism" of virtual orchestration (or any kind of recorded music, actually), we don't mean the raw, merciless realism of a surveillance camera, but rather the well-shaped, thoroughly designed and edited visual impression of a movie.

Quote:
There's no formula to define "the" microphone (or a human ear drum in the real world.), though. Two types of microphones will give you different results, even when they're put in the the same position. Two audio engineers will create differernt results when asked to re-create their impressions (or their idea) of an orchestra playing in a certain space.

Quote:
... a presumed "scientific volume" of an instrument on a stage. So many variables with fuzzy definitions: Which instrument? Who's the player? What notes were played? ... And: Who has been listening?

https://www.vsl.co.at/community/posts/t41142p2-MIRx-natural-volume-without-MIRx?=#post247133

 

I had discussion before some years ago, I don't remember if it was on this forum or another one and I do remember that was the position VSL took - however I hope that has changed.  New experience and technological advancement over time bring new possibilities.  If they didn't then why make a new library of instruments already covered?  

In general dynamic relations can have many variables - but the variables in this case are pretty cleanly defined, and from where I'm watching it seems to be by design.  The instruments are being recorded in position in the same hall - based on the diagrams it seems the plan is very much to fill out the whole orchestra with their seating intact in relation to each other.  The array of microphones will be in the same position for all, and I would assume they will be the very same microphones each time.  Based on this setup the relations in dynamics between layers and between different instruments (including the effect relative distance plays) is very much measureable, and I would say extremely relevant.

In the end it begs the question - if this is not what they are doing, then what on earth does the "fixed gain" mean?  Just to have uniform volume within individual dynamic layers?  That's not terribly exciting.. because VSL has done a good job of that since the very first library.. it hardly seems like something to advertise as a new feature..

It is certainly my hope this is what they are doing - I respectfully disagree that natural dynamic levels and correct dynamic range cannot be provided by sample libraries - yes, decisions have to be made, you obviously cannot cover every possibility of live interaction.  But then again these libraries are a snapshot of the Synchron players, in the Synchron hall, using the Synchron recording chain - so why not?  That correct dynamic relationships are perceiveable is hard to dispute - because it is so painfully obvious in its absence. 

Posted on Thu, Oct 19 2017 15:52
by Sami Boman
Joined on Wed, Mar 23 2005, Jyväskylä, Finland, Posts 199
Hi Paul,

will you at some point announce an exact date when the early bird offer ends, so it won't just suddenly disappear?
Posted on Thu, Oct 19 2017 16:05
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12881

Hi Sami, 

As usual, there will be a reminder about the Early Bird offer, right before the actual release of Synchron Strings I. 

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Oct 19 2017 17:04
by Pro-Arte
Joined on Thu, Feb 13 2003, Nice France, Posts 186

Hello,

Can we have more demo with only strings sounds before  Early Bird offer ends ?

Thank You

Core i7 ,EVGA, 32 Go DDR3, RME Hammerfall,ATI Sapphire HD 5450, Windows 10 64 bit,SSD 256 & 512Go,CUBASE 10, VSL SE & +, NOTION 6, FM8, KONTAKT 5
Posted on Thu, Oct 19 2017 20:35
by Steve Martin
Joined on Sat, Sep 17 2005, Queensland, Australia, Posts 567

Hi to the forum,

When we buy the library, I'm guessing that even though the violas and DBasses are not ready yet, we still get them as part of the price, and still download them when ready? [ - like when Dimension Strings was released, they waited for the Cellos etc, but they were still included in the original price]. Sorry if this sounds a kind of stupid question everyone!

 

thanks,

Steve

Posted on Fri, Oct 20 2017 08:14
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12881

Hi Steve, 

We're working with high pressure on all string sections here in Vienna.

Yes, Synchron Strings I contains all the string sections listed on the product page: 1st violins (14), 2nd violins (10), violas (8), cellos (8) and double basses (6). 

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Oct 20 2017 08:39
by Steve Martin
Joined on Sat, Sep 17 2005, Queensland, Australia, Posts 567

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

Hi Steve, 

We're working with high pressure on all string sections here in Vienna.

Yes, Synchron Strings I contains all the string sections listed on the product page: 1st violins (14), 2nd violins (10), violas (8), cellos (8) and double basses (6). 

Best, 
Paul

 

Thank you Paul,

 

that's great. I just wanted to be sure.

 

best,

 

Steve

Posted on Mon, Oct 23 2017 20:22
by Rob Elliott
Joined on Sun, Feb 02 2003, Salt Lake City, UT, Posts 1656

I must say it has been a 'while' since I have purchased a NEW VSL library (and I was one of the very first early adopters years back) - BUT this has caught my attention.  Both in what I am 'hearing' (samples) and the prospects of a more straightforward player to get what's in our heads to our clients - faster.   Of course not enough vid content currently to make an informed decision at this point.   Looking forward to your upcoming vid releases on this Paul.

what would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail?
Posted on Wed, Oct 25 2017 18:44
by mantrum
Joined on Sun, Apr 16 2017, Posts 16

I must admit, this seems to be an odd way to release a new library that everyone is excited to hear and learn more about. All we have is a little teaser trailer and a basic outline. I wonder if the marketing department are on holiday.

I was rather hoping we might know a little more by now. 

What worries me is the they mght suddenly turn round and say the library is released tomorrow, so you have until then to pre order it, whilst we have little or no more detail on it.

Of course it may well be that the library is being released later on November and whole raft of info ready to be  - but I do hope we will have a reasonable amount of time and a reasonable amount of information upon which to make a decision.

Posted on Wed, Oct 25 2017 20:25
by nektarios
Joined on Tue, Nov 19 2013, New Jersey, United States, Posts 469

Purchased mine!

_____

Cubase Pro 8, Windows 7 64 bit @ 64 GB RAM
Dual Intel Xeon E5-2687W @ 3.10GHz
Dimension Strings (Full)
Chamber Strings I+II (Full)
Appassionata Strings I+II (Full)
Orchestral Strings I+II (Full)
Solo Strings I (Full)
Vienna Imperial
Saxophones (Full)
Woodwinds I (Full)
Brass II (Full)
Dimension Brass (Full)
Upright Bass
Percussion (Full)
Overdrive
Jazz Drums
Vienna Choir
Soprano Choir
Solo Voices (Full)
Posted on Wed, Oct 25 2017 21:37
by fahl5
Joined on Fri, Feb 04 2005, Göttingen, Posts 956

Hi mantrum,

Even there are still enough questions to be answered about what Sy.Str. will be What you call "a basic outline" is in my eyes already far more than you learn about the most other string libraries on the market.

You learn that already the sample content of this first volume is significant more deep sampled than any other Stringlibrarie on the market.

Yes it is a pre-order. If this does not raise your attention enough, you still can wait until it is available. Nobody forces you to enjoy the advantage of the preorder conditions.

http://libraries.resampled.de/index.php
four parallel interpretations of ambitious classical scores with up to twelve different Libraries

http://beethoven.resampled.de
currently the first four Symphonies of L.v.Beethoven completly recorded with the finest available orchestra samplelibraries (BBCSO, SSO, STO)

http://klassik-resampled.de
Currently 4330 mp3 with more than a whole Week (=more than 8 Days /=nearly 200 hours) of sample based interpretations of complete Scores from 7 Centuries
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