@HSM1

I think VSL has one of the best legatos out there. The "problem" is only to set up a matrix which is very time-consuming. But I like and appreciate it, and for me it has so many advantages compared to other libraries. When you buy a non-VSL library, you have a fixed articulation mapping.

I do not own any other library (apart from Composer Cloud X), but I watched many review videos only to understand how articulations in other libraries are mapped. In VI (Pro) you can do everything, you can set up your own behaviours via crossfading, speed or velocity. Endless possibilites, this is far superior to everything else in my opinion.

Orchestral Strings has, in fact, nearly all the articulations you mentioned in your post. You can "copy" each (!) while combining patches. And the best thing is probably the performance trills, so you do not need to switch to a trill articulation. I miss that in other libraries, some have very bad fast legatos as well.

I hope there will be a kind of performance trills in the Synchron Series.

I keep seeing posts asking about articulations that are literally already listed on the page...

Slurred legato is there.

Fast legato is there.

The fast legato has 6 variations - that makes it also work as a performance trill. That was the whole point of performance trills; many different legato transitions so you don't get machine gunning on trills.

Originally Posted by: HSM1

Originally Posted by: fahl5

Originally Posted by: HSM1

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Actually, I do use other libraries such as Berlin Strings, Spitfire Audio Chamber Strings/Symphonic Strings and only reason I ever used anyone else was too much better legato script, short note attacks and huge detail sampled short/long articulations, etc. You didn't just take user feedback seriously.

Have you made decision yet on any usefull articulations as bellow ?

Legato Slurred, Expressive
Legato Agile
Legato Fingered
Ostinato Arpeggio Legato slow/fast

Spiccatissimo
Spiccato
Spiccato Exposed
Staccato
Staccato Bold
Martele FFF
Portato Short
Portato Long
Repetitions slow/fast
Blurred Spiccato
Blurred Staccato
Blurred Portato

Flageolet Sustain
Sustain Soft
Sustain Immediate
Sustain Accented
Sustain Expressive Dyn (Short expr.)
Sustain Expressive Dyn (Long expr.)

Sul Ponticello Leg
Sul Ponticello Tremolo
Sul Ponticello Tremolo Accented
Sul Ponticello Staccato
Sul Ponticello Sustain
Sul Tasto Legato
Sul Tasto Portato Short
Sul Tasto Portato Long
Sul Tasto Sustain Immediate
Sul Tasto Sustain Soft
Sul Tasto Tremolo

Just wait for Synchron-Strings II to have most of the Articulations covered. Synchron-Strings I is of course the basic set.

However it even seems to me that each of the Articulations in Synchron-Strings I has much more "under the hood" that the simple "list" of single artticulations is no longer the right reference to compare.

 

Hopefully in the near future 2025 or 2027, Synchron-Strings version VI probably!

  

Whoah!  I'm impressed.  This guy got a list of articulations from his "Beginning Orchestration" book. 

Originally Posted by: SJSF

As for your articulation list, I couldn't agree more. Synchron has great value without them to be sure. And who knows, we may see them in SS2. But it goes without saying that most everyone would love one library to rule them all. Consistent ensemble samples, playing techniques, and template architecture would make life a lot easier. And if I could have my samples anywhere, I'd have them in VI-Pro by a long shot. I trust Synchron Player will likely live up to the same expectations. I just hope Martin developed it. Years ago I spoke with him and the guy just gets it... completely.

-Sean

You know that VSL like nearly no one else cover the muted articulations in form of mearly complete paralell articulationsets as they have done in Solostrings I+II, Chamber Strings I+II and Dimension Strings I+II.

You know that Berlin Orchestratools have no original sordinopatches at all !!! (Just to completly compare "listing") but use a very artificial sounding filter solution. And Spitfire might have one or another more or less experimental sophisticated patchname invented, but when it come to the basic bread and butter articulation (which is obviously what is all about in Synchron Strings I) there are still enough problems discussed especially when it comes to the legato scripts. I do not want to debase both Libraries which belong of course  to the better developed among Orchestra or Stringsample-libraries on the market. But I fear they still leave more than enough reason to wait for Synchronstrings in VSL Quality.

Originally Posted by: SJSF

Originally Posted by: HSM1

"...only reason I ever used anyone else was too much better legato script, short note attacks and huge detail sampled short/long articulations, etc. You didn't just take user feedback seriously."

Short note attacks, more articulations, better sound... these things were what drove me to getting some of the libraries you mentioned. I've had enough experience working in software support, UI, product magement, UX, consulting, and even some development (all of which I didn't want to have to learn) that I now have an involuntary quiet chuckle when I hear "take user feedback seriously". This "not listening" thing is a disease. It spreads.

You hit a nerve. lol

As for your articulation list, I couldn't agree more. Synchron has great value without them to be sure. And who knows, we may see them in SS2. But it goes without saying that most everyone would love one library to rule them all. Consistent ensemble samples, playing techniques, and template architecture would make life a lot easier. And if I could have my samples anywhere, I'd have them in VI-Pro by a long shot. I trust Synchron Player will likely live up to the same expectations. I just hope Martin developed it. Years ago I spoke with him and the guy just gets it... completely.

-Sean

Actually, I do use other libraries such as Berlin Strings, Spitfire Audio Chamber Strings/Symphonic Strings and only reason I ever used anyone else was too much better legato script, short note attacks and huge detail sampled short/long articulations, etc. You didn't just take user feedback seriously.

Have you made decision yet on any usefull articulations as bellow ?

Legato Slurred, Expressive
Legato Agile
Legato Fingered
Ostinato Arpeggio Legato slow/fast

Spiccatissimo
Spiccato
Spiccato Exposed
Staccato
Staccato Bold
Martele FFF
Portato Short
Portato Long
Repetitions slow/fast
Blurred Spiccato
Blurred Staccato
Blurred Portato

Flageolet Sustain
Sustain Soft
Sustain Immediate
Sustain Accented
Sustain Expressive Dyn (Short expr.)
Sustain Expressive Dyn (Long expr.)

Sul Ponticello Leg
Sul Ponticello Tremolo
Sul Ponticello Tremolo Accented
Sul Ponticello Staccato
Sul Ponticello Sustain
Sul Tasto Legato
Sul Tasto Portato Short
Sul Tasto Portato Long
Sul Tasto Sustain Immediate
Sul Tasto Sustain Soft
Sul Tasto Tremolo

Originally Posted by: HSM1

"...only reason I ever used anyone else was too much better legato script, short note attacks and huge detail sampled short/long articulations, etc. You didn't just take user feedback seriously."

 You do not know the Legato of the Synchron-Strings yet.

Originally Posted by: HSM1

Actually, I do use other libraries such as Berlin Strings, Spitfire Audio Chamber Strings/Symphonic Strings and only reason I ever used anyone else was too much better legato script, short note attacks and huge detail sampled short/long articulations, etc. You didn't just take user feedback seriously.

Originally Posted by: HSM1

Have you made decision yet on any usefull articulations as bellow ?

Originally Posted by: HSM1

Legato Slurred, Expressive
Legato Agile
Legato Fingered
Ostinato Arpeggio Legato slow/fast

To me it seem as if they are more or less already included and more detailed and with more actual scripting than any other Library you mentioned.

Originally Posted by: HSM1

Spiccatissimo
Spiccato
Spiccato Exposed
Staccato
Staccato Bold
Martele FFF
Portato Short
Portato Long
Repetitions slow/fast
Blurred Spiccato
Blurred Staccato
Blurred Portato

Let's wait to see what is possible with the "Short notes" Patch without loading tons of only in details different patches having in mind the "New algorithms require a minimum of manual articulation switching". I would not expect that VSL will give us only one single kind of a short sample 

Originally Posted by: HSM1

Sustain Soft
Sustain Immediate
Sustain Accented
Sustain Expressive Dyn (Short expr.)
Sustain Expressive Dyn (Long expr.)

OK you still belong to those who need for each expressive variant an new patch. This is imho a quite tedious way to programm. Meanwhile there are already a bunch of different Long-Patches for Synchron Strings announced you should also here keep in mind the "New algorithms require a minimum of manual articulation switching".

Your problem seem to me that you have not yet realised, that it was VSL who reached first in the last years a point of Patch-Variety which made it absolutly necessary to develop "New algorithms require a minimum of manual articulation switching" to let the User reasonably still cover the whole possible power, without completly ocerloading his Sequencerprojects with Tracks, RAM, CPU etc. Those Libraries which still need such endless lists of different patches which all have to be loaded more or less seperately are imho still far from allowing a userfriendly usage of the power of deeply sampled libraries.

Originally Posted by: HSM1

Flageolet Sustain

Sul Ponticello Leg
Sul Ponticello Tremolo
Sul Ponticello Tremolo Accented
Sul Ponticello Staccato
Sul Ponticello Sustain
Sul Tasto Legato
Sul Tasto Portato Short
Sul Tasto Portato Long
Sul Tasto Sustain Immediate
Sul Tasto Sustain Soft
Sul Tasto Tremolo

Again more important are imho still good recorded muted patches in all types of articullations which Berlin Strings dont have at all and Spitfire only in a relative limited variety. However those articulationtypes have never been omitted in any previous VSL-libraries so I will expect them to be like muted Strings part of Synchron Strings II.

Hi everybody,

Enjoy these first demos of Synchron Strings, made by the wonderful Guy Bacos and Christof Unterberger!

Best, 
Paul

Originally Posted by: Paul

Hi everybody,

Enjoy these first demos of Synchron Strings, made by the wonderful Guy Bacos and Christof Unterberger!

Best, 
Paul

nice demos - the longs are telling (I like them).   shorts are easier to get 'away with things' (albiet they are strong) but the longs are solid.   Looking forward to Paul's walkthroughs (particularily the longs/legatos.)

I really need to hear how (all by itself) 'controllable' the non to vibrato sound is.  For me the GREAT weakness of ANY sample string section is its inability to do this convincingly without artifacts/phasing.   For me if Sample strings sit for more than a brief moment without some change to vibrato (not just xfade between sampled layers BUT vibrato and I am personlly taken out of it.)

And of course - is the new player going to allow me to use this in the heat of a tight schedule?

More and more encouraged.   Congrats VSL on what should be a success.