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Does the full strings in Appassionata have Spiccato?
Last post Mon, Mar 19 2018 by msanioura, 9 replies.
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Posted on Sun, Mar 18 2018 00:07
by McArnes
Joined on Sun, Aug 27 2017, Posts 90

I just have the standard version yet, and I noticed it does not have spiccatos, which I miss.

They are included in each section of the full version, but it doesn't say on this website if it's also in the full strings patch. I admit I "cheat" sometimes and use the full string patch, but don't tell anyone :)

Posted on Sun, Mar 18 2018 11:39
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12188

Hello McArnes, 

I'm a bit confused... we did not record dedicated spiccato for the Appassionata Strings...

EDIT: Haha, I totally overlooked the Performance Spiccato Repetitions that are contained in the Standard Library of Appassionata Strings I => please check unter "13 Perf Repetition". 

Sorry for the mis-information!

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sun, Mar 18 2018 17:17
by McArnes
Joined on Sun, Aug 27 2017, Posts 90

Thanks,

Yes, I found them in the section patches, but not in the full string patch. So I wonder if the full string patch has spiccato in the full version?

Posted on Sun, Mar 18 2018 18:57
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12188

Hi, 

No spiccato in the full strings patch, I'm afraid. 

Best, 
Paul 

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Mon, Mar 19 2018 00:29
by muziksculp
Joined on Fri, Oct 03 2003, U.S.A., Posts 409

Hi Paul & VSL Development,

It would be super wonderful if you plan to produce a new Synchron Appassionata Strings Library, plus a Synchron Appssionata Strings Sodino Version.  With more articulations than the original, and more dynamic layers. It will be an instant buy for me.  Actually ... I will pre-order it now if you announced it  

Thanks for listening.

Cheers,

Muziksculp 

Posted on Mon, Mar 19 2018 11:06
by daviddln
Joined on Tue, Feb 25 2014, Posts 181

Originally Posted by: muziksculp Go to Quoted Post

It will be an instant buy for me.  Actually ... I will pre-order it now if you announced it  

 

I would do that with Synchron Solo Strings. Even if it takes several years.

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Posted on Mon, Mar 19 2018 11:20
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 707

Can a spiccato patch be created, with Vienna Instruments Pro, by time-compressing the staccato patch? Do you find results to be satisfactory?

Paolo

Posted on Mon, Mar 19 2018 11:31
by JimmyHellfire
Joined on Tue, Dec 24 2013, Posts 334

Originally Posted by: PaoloT Go to Quoted Post

Can a spiccato patch be created, with Vienna Instruments Pro, by time-compressing the staccato patch? Do you find results to be satisfactory?

Paolo

I personally do not like the results very much. It can produce an acceptable staccatissimo effect, but not spiccato. I'd stick to the performance spiccato patch. Appassionata Strings have one. Synchron Strings do not, which really bothers me.

These are short samples and the point where it starts to sound unnatural and obviously manipulated is quickly reached. But more importantly, an edited or time-compressed staccato will never sound like spiccato because the bowing is different. You just can't make the sample sound as if the note was performed with an off-bouncing bow if it wasn't played that way.

Posted on Mon, Mar 19 2018 20:08
by msanioura
Joined on Wed, Aug 03 2016, Posts 23
Originally Posted by: JimmyHellfire Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: PaoloT Go to Quoted Post

Can a spiccato patch be created, with Vienna Instruments Pro, by time-compressing the staccato patch? Do you find results to be satisfactory?
Paolo

I personally do not like the results very much. It can produce an acceptable staccatissimo effect, but not spiccato. I'd stick to the performance spiccato patch. Appassionata Strings have one. Synchron Strings do not, which really bothers me.
These are short samples and the point where it starts to sound unnatural and obviously manipulated is quickly reached. But more importantly, an edited or time-compressed staccato will never sound like spiccato because the bowing is different. You just can't make the sample sound as if the note was performed with an off-bouncing bow if it wasn't played that way.


Couldn’t agree more. And so the wait for Synchron Strings II commences.. Paul?
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