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Synchron Orchestral Strings in Synchron Player -- when?
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Posted on Tue, May 22 2018 02:01
by clamnectar
Joined on Sun, Jan 11 2009, Toronto, Posts 87

It's my understanding that at some point the Synchron Strings released over the past several months will be available to download as Synchron Player-specific libraries. Now that I've used the player with the FX strings and I love it, I'm eager to start doing this. My question is when?

Posted on Tue, May 22 2018 02:43
by stephen limbaugh
Joined on Tue, Feb 23 2016, Los Angeles, Posts 258

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

Hi Stephen, 

Yes, that's because you will need brand-new sample content that is packed in a new format. We are just preparing that data for you. 

So there will be another download for Synchron Strings I and Synchron Percussion I, which will work with the new Synchron Player. 

And once this sample content is available, you will also have access to the Synchron Player download. 

Best, 
Paul

2019 MacBook Pro, 8 core i9, 32gb RAM. Heavy Digital Audio PC slave, 6 core Xeon E5-1650, 128gb RAM. Logic 10.4.8. Mojave & Windows 10.
Posted on Tue, May 22 2018 05:43
by muziksculp
Joined on Fri, Oct 03 2003, U.S.A., Posts 407

Hopefully Synchron Strings 1 with the new Synchron Strings 1 Player will be out this month (May) ! With no more delays. 

Posted on Fri, May 25 2018 15:53
by Spoilsman
Joined on Sun, Oct 23 2016, Posts 22
Originally Posted by: muziksculp Go to Quoted Post
Hopefully Synchron Strings 1 with the new Synchron Strings 1 Player will be out this month (May) ! With no more delays.


Synchron Strings I made s lot of money for VSL, but instead of looking after the early adopters they brought out two new products with Synchron Player, while leaving us waiting. We’ve already paid so they make us wait and tempt new customers with products that have the Synchron Player. Given how bad the legato is, and after half a year of waiting, all early adopters should be refunded. We were not given the product we paid for, and even if you release it tomorrow, legato was not reinvented, but taken back a decade or so. Really enjoying my HZ-strings this week. Spitfire are hit and miss, but these days, they totally outclass VSL.
Posted on Fri, May 25 2018 18:31
by Symfoniq
Joined on Sat, May 04 2013, Posts 45

Originally Posted by: Spoilsman Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: muziksculp Go to Quoted Post
Hopefully Synchron Strings 1 with the new Synchron Strings 1 Player will be out this month (May) ! With no more delays.
Synchron Strings I made s lot of money for VSL, but instead of looking after the early adopters they brought out two new products with Synchron Player, while leaving us waiting. We’ve already paid so they make us wait and tempt new customers with products that have the Synchron Player. Given how bad the legato is, and after half a year of waiting, all early adopters should be refunded. We were not given the product we paid for, and even if you release it tomorrow, legato was not reinvented, but taken back a decade or so. Really enjoying my HZ-strings this week. Spitfire are hit and miss, but these days, they totally outclass VSL.

I wish I could disagree, but I can't. I'd like a refund of Synchron Strings, too.

Posted on Fri, May 25 2018 20:00
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12173

Hi, 

On the other hand: Why not wait a few more days and see?

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sat, May 26 2018 00:39
by Spoilsman
Joined on Sun, Oct 23 2016, Posts 22

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

Hi, 

On the other hand: Why not wait a few more days and see?

Best, 
Paul

Because you've said many times the Synchron Player won't change the Legatos or improve that aspect of Synhcron Strings. If that's the case, why wait for a bad product?

We have a product that doens't sound great, it isn't 'legato reinvented' and is six months or more late. It's a bad product that very few people would have bought if they'd been able to fully demo it in the real world, but instead we bought it with the promise of 'soon'. This is not soon, and it sounds bad anyway. I really want a refund.

Posted on Sat, May 26 2018 00:53
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5513

I totally disagree.  The Synchron Strings are a fantastic library with cutting edge samples.   They are not a "bad product."   I have been auditioning the sounds of the VI version and they are great, with a huge amount of variation and detail.  I am extremely excited to use the library in both the VI version and with the new Player. 

 

WILLIAM KERSTEN

www.williamkersten.com

Posted on Sat, May 26 2018 01:41
by Spoilsman
Joined on Sun, Oct 23 2016, Posts 22
Originally Posted by: William Go to Quoted Post
I totally disagree. The Synchron Strings are a fantastic library with cutting edge samples. They are not a "bad product." I have been auditioning the sounds of the VI version and they are great, with a huge amount of variation and detail.I am extremely excited to use the library in both the VI version and with the new Player.

WILLIAM KERSTEN
www.williamkersten.com


Ok. I respect your opinion. We’ll put aside that we bankrolled a project that released two other products before dealing with Strings I (almost as an afterthought). If I’m wrong, and I really hope I am, can you point me to any examples of the legato sounding good? To me, Legato Blur should be renamed Legato Hide, as it’s just hiding the poor legato. So I want to hear realistic legato that makes this a revoltionary product.

By chance, I was at a live concert last night, very close to the stage, and paid close attention to the real legato (esp of the cellos as I was close to them). It was beautiful, but I don’t hear anything like that in Synchron. Please show me I’m wrong and then I’ll assume I’m just using it incorrectly. I’ll still be annoyed at the way early adopters were treated (waiting while two other Synchron products were perfected) but I’m willing to open my mind and ears.
Posted on Sat, May 26 2018 02:54
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5513

Well this is just playing around with the instruments in VI, no processing.  I need to update my youtube and get some more stuff on there! I used to have more...

Synchron

 

www.williamkersten.com

Posted on Sat, May 26 2018 12:31
by Spoilsman
Joined on Sun, Oct 23 2016, Posts 22

Originally Posted by: William Go to Quoted Post

Well this is just playing around with the instruments in VI, no processing.  I need to update my youtube and get some more stuff on there! I used to have more...

Synchron

 

www.williamkersten.com

 

Thanks. With no disrepect at all to what you're doing, this sounds like the problem I have with these strings - I feel like I have to pause all the time, and make space, because actually playing the notes close together doesn't create the legto I'm looking for.

Posted on Sat, May 26 2018 12:35
by Spoilsman
Joined on Sun, Oct 23 2016, Posts 22

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

Hi, 

On the other hand: Why not wait a few more days and see?

Best, 
Paul

You know what Paul, I put in a request for a refund, but I hope they ignore it. I don't like Synchron Strings much so far, and I don't believe the player will help Legato much, but I enjoyed the gamble of signing up to something new, so I'll live with that. And you never know, you might surprise me. If so, I'll shout it from the roofttops. If not, I'll keep quiet and let everybody else make up their own mind. (I just really wished you'd held back the two new Synchron products and finished Synchron Strings I first, because it felt like a kick in the teeth to leave us waiting. But I'll let it go now.)

Posted on Mon, May 28 2018 04:34
by jasensmith
Joined on Tue, Jan 15 2008, Arizona, Posts 1576

Originally Posted by: Spoilsman Go to Quoted Post


Synchron Strings I made s lot of money for VSL, 

Somebody contact the FBI, Interpol and Scotland Yard!  Spoilsman has hacked into the financial records of VSL and he's spilling them all over Internet forums.  You Rascal 

How do you know how much money VSL made from Synchron Strings I?  And if they did make a lot of money from Synchron Strings wouldn't that be a testament to just how supperior the product is?  What is it you don't like about the legatos that everybody else does?

Please excuse my bellicosity but I'm really getting irritated with people bitching and moaning about when the Synchron Player is coming out.  Since the developers can't say it themselves, I'll say it for them. "The damn player will be released when it gets released. There!"

But part of this is VSL's fault if I may be so bold.  I wouldn't have made any announcement until the day the product was released.  Surprise everybody.  When you announce a future product as big as this you fill everybody up with anticipation.  It's like dangling Skittles candies in front of a bunch of hypoglycemic five-year-olds.  When's it coming out!  When's it coming out!  That project was due yesterday!  Get a hold of yourselves.

 Maybe I'm just more fortunate than others but I take my sweet time before buying any software product even if it is VSL.  I do research, I carefully listen to demos and I wait about six months so they can hammer out all the inevitable bugs.  I know some VSL die hards would buy anything VSL puts out even if it were a chimp banging on a whoppy cushion with a bannana.  All the power to them.  On the other hand, everything I've bought from VSL has been top notch professional gear worth every penny.  But if the player were to be released tommorow it would still be a while before I'd even consider it. 

I'm beginning to understand you William more and more everyday I visit the forum and as I consider myself to be a mild mannered person that's a bit frightening.


"If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There's no point in being a damn fool about it."
- W.C. Fields
Posted on Mon, May 28 2018 06:33
by JimmyHellfire
Joined on Tue, Dec 24 2013, Posts 333

Originally Posted by: jasensmith Go to Quoted Post
Please excuse my bellicosity but I'm really getting irritated with people bitching and moaning about when the Synchron Player is coming out.  Since the developers can't say it themselves, I'll say it for them. "The damn player will be released when it gets released. There!"

But part of this is VSL's fault if I may be so bold.  I wouldn't have made any announcement until the day the product was released.  Surprise everybody.  When you announce a future product as big as this you fill everybody up with anticipation.  It's like dangling Skittles candies in front of a bunch of hypoglycemic five-year-olds.  When's it coming out!  When's it coming out!  That project was due yesterday!  Get a hold of yourselves.

 Maybe I'm just more fortunate than others but I take my sweet time before buying any software product even if it is VSL.  I do research, I carefully listen to demos and I wait about six months so they can hammer out all the inevitable bugs.

Well that's good for you, but unfortunately, this sounds as if you weren't really doing anything other than mocking an already rightfully aggravated customer base.

It's nice that you're superiorly patient and way smarter with your economics than these fools who bought a product they still haven't received in full 7 months later. And while I'm not neccessarily a fan of how some of these people express their frustration, I may remind you that it's not just a case of five-year olds and dangling Skittles, but they paid money for this stuff.

Posted on Mon, May 28 2018 09:28
by daviddln
Joined on Tue, Feb 25 2014, Posts 174

Originally Posted by: JimmyHellfire Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: jasensmith Go to Quoted Post
Please excuse my bellicosity but I'm really getting irritated with people bitching and moaning about when the Synchron Player is coming out.  Since the developers can't say it themselves, I'll say it for them. "The damn player will be released when it gets released. There!"

But part of this is VSL's fault if I may be so bold.  I wouldn't have made any announcement until the day the product was released.  Surprise everybody.  When you announce a future product as big as this you fill everybody up with anticipation.  It's like dangling Skittles candies in front of a bunch of hypoglycemic five-year-olds.  When's it coming out!  When's it coming out!  That project was due yesterday!  Get a hold of yourselves.

 Maybe I'm just more fortunate than others but I take my sweet time before buying any software product even if it is VSL.  I do research, I carefully listen to demos and I wait about six months so they can hammer out all the inevitable bugs.

It's nice that you're superiorly patient and way smarter with your economics than these fools who bought a product they still haven't received in full 7 months later.

Well, that's not true. First, we didn't pay anything for the Synchron Player. And second, Synchron Strings I are complete and work perfectly within VI/VI Pro. 

iMac 21.5, i7 4770S, 3,1 Ghz, 16 GB RAM
Komplete Kontrol S-88, Steinberg UR44
Logic Pro X, Finale 25
VI Super Package, Synchron Package, Vienna Software Package
Posted on Mon, May 28 2018 09:41
by JimmyHellfire
Joined on Tue, Dec 24 2013, Posts 333

Originally Posted by: daviddln Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: JimmyHellfire Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: jasensmith Go to Quoted Post
Please excuse my bellicosity but I'm really getting irritated with people bitching and moaning about when the Synchron Player is coming out.  Since the developers can't say it themselves, I'll say it for them. "The damn player will be released when it gets released. There!"

But part of this is VSL's fault if I may be so bold.  I wouldn't have made any announcement until the day the product was released.  Surprise everybody.  When you announce a future product as big as this you fill everybody up with anticipation.  It's like dangling Skittles candies in front of a bunch of hypoglycemic five-year-olds.  When's it coming out!  When's it coming out!  That project was due yesterday!  Get a hold of yourselves.

 Maybe I'm just more fortunate than others but I take my sweet time before buying any software product even if it is VSL.  I do research, I carefully listen to demos and I wait about six months so they can hammer out all the inevitable bugs.

It's nice that you're superiorly patient and way smarter with your economics than these fools who bought a product they still haven't received in full 7 months later.

Well, that's not true. First, we didn't pay anything for the Synchron Player. And second, Synchron Strings I are complete and work perfectly within VI/VI Pro. 

SyS has been advertised as coming with a great new revolutionary player since day one. It's part of the deal. VI Pro is further not equipped for hosting the library. It's possible, but sub-standard and not feasible. Which is why the Synchron Player was announced and developed in the first place.

It's absolutely silly to have to debate this nonsensical point on top of all the nuisance.

Posted on Mon, May 28 2018 11:37
by Sovereign
Joined on Sun, Nov 05 2017, Posts 19

Originally Posted by: daviddln Go to Quoted Post
Well, that's not true. First, we didn't pay anything for the Synchron Player. And second, Synchron Strings I are complete and work perfectly within VI/VI Pro.
Sigh, where could you possibly have gotten this utterly silly idea? 

Posted on Mon, May 28 2018 13:21
by daviddln
Joined on Tue, Feb 25 2014, Posts 174

Originally Posted by: Sovereign Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: daviddln Go to Quoted Post
Well, that's not true. First, we didn't pay anything for the Synchron Player. And second, Synchron Strings I are complete and work perfectly within VI/VI Pro.
Sigh, where could you possibly have gotten this utterly silly idea? 

These are just facts.

iMac 21.5, i7 4770S, 3,1 Ghz, 16 GB RAM
Komplete Kontrol S-88, Steinberg UR44
Logic Pro X, Finale 25
VI Super Package, Synchron Package, Vienna Software Package
Posted on Mon, May 28 2018 13:50
by Sovereign
Joined on Sun, Nov 05 2017, Posts 19

Originally Posted by: daviddln Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Sovereign Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: daviddln Go to Quoted Post
Well, that's not true. First, we didn't pay anything for the Synchron Player. And second, Synchron Strings I are complete and work perfectly within VI/VI Pro.
Sigh, where could you possibly have gotten this utterly silly idea? 

These are just facts.

Uhm, nope, Synchron Player is an essential part of Synchron Strings I. Delivery of the player was promised at introduction. Claims to the contrary are sheer lunacy.

Posted on Mon, May 28 2018 13:56
by fahl5
Joined on Fri, Feb 04 2005, Göttingen, Posts 953

sorry kids, your are simply impatient.

We are used to get solid products from VSL, thanks god, they have obviously a priority to keep it like that.

http://klassik-resampled.de ... 3648 mp3 with a whole Week (=7 Days /=171 hours) of sample based interpretations of complete Scores from 7 Centuries

http://synchron.12sf.de
a) ...Synchron-Strings explored in 40 mp3 with more than four hours of complete and ambitious scores from 19th, 20th and 21th century produced with Synchron-Strings.

b) ...Synchron-Steinway explored in 48 mp3 with nearly three hours of complete and ambitious scores from 18th 19th 20th and 21th century produced with Synchron-Steinway.
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