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Posted on Wed, Jun 27 2018 23:15
by fahl5
Joined on Fri, Feb 04 2005, Göttingen, Posts 956

.....wow it seem as if I am the first playing Synchron-Strings in the Player Version?!

OK here is my first answer to the question, how satisfied I am with the new Synchron Strings.

The Piece is from one of the lesser know very gifted Composers from the Rossini-Generation which I like very much.

Friedrich Ersnt Fesca (1789-1826): Ouverture D-Major op.41,

To judge the "realism" of my first attempt you can listen here a recording of the NDR-Radiophilharmonie.

OK It is good to have good Hardware. The Player is great with becomming even much more powerful than the outstanding VI it reduces many over complexities which make all other Orchestrasamplelibraries i know much more clumsy and tedious to work with.

To sum up in short: I fear the piece is nothing I would ever recommend to try a realisation with other Libraries. However I have had much fun with it and the Synchron-Player-Strings

I hope you like it

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Posted on Thu, Jun 28 2018 01:41
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5604

Steffen, that sounds great!   Excellent answer!  The Synchron strings sound very impressive.  What an interesting piece also - very energetic and appealing.  I really appreciate how you are bringing these lesser known composers to light.  

Posted on Thu, Jun 28 2018 02:44
by bogdan
Joined on Fri, Apr 18 2008, Canada/ Edmonton , Posts 286

Great music and splendid performance !

Posted on Thu, Jun 28 2018 13:25
by crusoe
Joined on Sat, Dec 26 2009, Posts 141

Thanks for sharing!

Loved pretty much every short note (and those quick outbursts, lovely), on both strings and other participants. The long notes were less convincing sometimes, but I'd call this a nitpick rather than actual criticism.

Posted on Thu, Jun 28 2018 15:28
by Pixelpoet1985
Joined on Fri, Dec 23 2016, Germany, Posts 286

Thanks for sharing!

I really like your effort, but not the sound of Synchron Strings.

I finally decided that I'm not going to use Synchron Strings. I don't like them at all and already wrote my concerns in various posts. I'm definitely going to stay with previous libraries, because I can achieve way more emotional and realistic music with them. 

You posted the YouTube video, that's great for comparison. I have to say that Synchron Strings aren't even close to this, very unconvincing, unrealistic, dead and midi-ish in my opinion. For example the part from 4:00 onwards. Night and day. If you're happy with this library, it's okay, but I'm very disappointed and expected more from VSL. For me, it's the worst library out there. Sorry to say that! JUST MY OPINION.

Posted on Thu, Jun 28 2018 15:52
by MMKA
Joined on Tue, May 22 2012, Posts 405

Hi Steffen, this showes the possibilities of Synchron Strings 1 and it is clear: that possibilities are great. I heared it on 2 stereo sets and on both the music is convincing, especially the lower dynamics of the strings. The higher dynamic levels are good, don't take me wrong, but the lower are even better in my ears. (Of course the other intruments sounds also very good.) What I noticed also, is the consistant sound of the legato patches and the short notes. I think you showed the quality of the Synchron Strings. Congratulations on that. And the music is a little jewel. Nice that you let us enjoy that music. Thank you.

Unfotunately the link to the recording of the NDR-Radiophilharmonie doesn't work here, the video is not available here. (Perhaps a issue of copyrights in other countries? I suppose it works with you in Germany, I live in the Netherlands).

Posted on Thu, Jun 28 2018 16:19
by muziksculp
Joined on Fri, Oct 03 2003, U.S.A., Posts 420

Hi Fahl5,

You did a wonderful job producing this demo (Thanks),  but, I'm not impressed by what I hear as far as Synchron Strings 1 are concerned. I will wait until I hear some more demos, especially from VSL, and see what I think about them.

So far I have decided not to bother installing Synchron Strings 1 on my System. 

Cheers,

Muziksculp 

Posted on Thu, Jun 28 2018 16:34
by Piotr Katzpersky
Joined on Mon, May 11 2015, Polska, Posts 31

Heh, I think that liking / disliking this mockup in the end depends on personal tastes and bias towards certain aestethics. And it also might be the case when looking at people who love or hate Synchron Strings.

Because what I hear in this mockup sounds fake. I would never think that this is live performance. It's too sterile, to clean, too dead - sometimes I see term 'analytical' to describe things like that. Samples sound perfect, but machine like perfect, not human-like flawed perfection.

So what I hear in this mockup are machines playing cool piece of music and trying to trick me they are not machines. Fortunately they are failing. Just my two cents.

Although the shorts indeed sound great on its own :)

Posted on Thu, Jun 28 2018 17:23
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 529
To keep it short ...

Good Performance that shows what you can do with SS1, StePHen! (Why did you switch to Steffen? Or did I dream it?)

Muziksculp, why don’t you install the product? I don’t get it. And how will you know about the quality of the product if you don’t play it?
Posted on Thu, Jun 28 2018 17:55
by muziksculp
Joined on Fri, Oct 03 2003, U.S.A., Posts 420

Originally Posted by: LAJ Go to Quoted Post
To keep it short ...

Muziksculp, why don’t you install the product? I don’t get it. And how will you know about the quality of the product if you don’t play it?

I will Install it, but only after I hear some new and wonderful sounding VSL demos, or by users, that will convince me it is worth installing it.  So far I feel it's not worth installing. This might change, depending on what I hear. 

Posted on Thu, Jun 28 2018 18:45
by Acclarion
Joined on Sat, Aug 15 2015, Canada, Eh!, Posts 542

Originally Posted by: muziksculp Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: LAJ Go to Quoted Post
To keep it short ...

Muziksculp, why don’t you install the product? I don’t get it. And how will you know about the quality of the product if you don’t play it?

I will Install it, but only after I hear some new and wonderful sounding VSL demos, or by users, that will convince me it is worth installing it.  So far I feel it's not worth installing. This might change, depending on what I hear. 

Wow, you must be exceptionally well off, if you would purchase the library (the full version, no less) and then not even attempt to work with it yourself but rely on others' opinions.  I think I would feel instant remorse for spending that money and not even giving it a try!

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Posted on Fri, Jun 29 2018 10:02
by Sovereign
Joined on Sun, Nov 05 2017, Posts 19
The original recording link does not work? Synchron does not convince here either, especially in those parts where the strings are exposed. It's synthy, very synthy.
Posted on Fri, Jun 29 2018 14:43
by johnstaf
Joined on Thu, Apr 21 2011, EI, Posts 216

Originally Posted by: Sovereign Go to Quoted Post
The original recording link does not work? Synchron does not convince here either, especially in those parts where the strings are exposed. It's synthy, very synthy.

Agreed. Maybe there's something in it that needs to be fixed. I don't believe this is what VSL intended.

Cubase (OS agnostic). Various VSL bits and pieces.

Posted on Fri, Jun 29 2018 15:35
by mh-7635
Joined on Wed, Aug 04 2004, Posts 190

Hi Steffan,

 Is the issue with the release (or just overlap?) on some notes down to you or the player/samples? Because your phrasing is so different to the recording, I am assuming that it was an interpretive decision on your part, or perhaps you used a different edition to the recording!

Sadly though, for me, whatever samples ( or interpretation) you used for the allegro theme at around 1'08", they do not supply the clarity required for the music and as a result, are quite off-putting. The sustain was uneven in places and as mentioned above, the overlap in places was too noticeable and not really acceptable from a listening point of view. The timbre too was an issue for me, especially for a classical piece.

Sorry I couldn't be more positive on this but accept that you are re-learning to a certain extent too. My own personal jury is out on Synchron at present and am waiting for a definitive demo that'll make me take the plunge. I've heard good shorts and pizz, but that is only half the story.....

Posted on Sat, Jun 30 2018 03:18
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5604

What do you know about it?  

Posted on Sat, Jun 30 2018 04:09
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5604

Originally Posted by: Sovereign Go to Quoted Post
The original recording link does not work? Synchron does not convince here either, especially in those parts where the strings are exposed. It's synthy, very synthy.

Oh is it? 

What music do YOU do that is not synthy?  I want to hear it.  Please post some of your great natural sounding performances. 

I am tired of people who have no demonstrated work just mouthing off.  I feel one should demonstrate what they actually know - like the brilliant Steffen who has a huge website that demonstrates just that.  

WILLIAM KERSTEN

www.williamkersten.com

Posted on Sat, Jun 30 2018 04:17
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5604

Originally Posted by: Piotr Katzpersky Go to Quoted Post

Heh, I think that liking / disliking this mockup in the end depends on personal tastes and bias towards certain aestethics. And it also might be the case when looking at people who love or hate Synchron Strings.

Because what I hear in this mockup sounds fake. I would never think that this is live performance. It's too sterile, to clean, too dead - sometimes I see term 'analytical' to describe things like that. Samples sound perfect, but machine like perfect, not human-like flawed perfection.

So what I hear in this mockup are machines playing cool piece of music and trying to trick me they are not machines. Fortunately they are failing. Just my two cents.

Although the shorts indeed sound great on its own :)

O.K., I want to hear also what this person does that is so fantastically natural and real sounding.  What music do you do when not trashing Synchron?  Why are you the judge?  I  notice you keep on appearing and trashing Synchron.  I truly want to know, not out of hostility - I am just amazed by the so-called experts who appear out of nowhere and then decided what is good or bad.  O.K. - so why should we listen to you in particular?  What do you actually know and do?  Besides just post things on your computer... 

WILLIAM KERSTEN

www.williamkersten.com

Posted on Sat, Jun 30 2018 07:11
by mh-7635
Joined on Wed, Aug 04 2004, Posts 190

Originally Posted by: William Go to Quoted Post

What do you know about it?  

 

If you are referring to music, then a great deal.

If you are referring to sample programming, then a great deal.

If you are referring to Synchron, then I am using my ears, my professional experience and a personal subjectivity - how else can it be when considering purchase.

I gave a perfectly civil, thoughtful and honest response to Steffan, one based on my considered thoughts and not driven by a seemingly overwhelmed and demented  mind. VSL actively encourage different viewpoints here (and also at VI-control) and that openness is, I believe laudable and doubtless valuable to them. As a poster here though, I perceive your trolling in their name as distinctly unhelpful.

I, like Steffan also have a website so before you think about it, don't lay your accusations about anonymous posting at me (again) - not that it should matter to anyone else here what your 'criteria' are before you listen to their opinion because this is an open forum and one that would be nicer to partake in if it wasn't for the un-civil and bigoted tone in your posts.

Posted on Sat, Jun 30 2018 07:44
by JimmyHellfire
Joined on Tue, Dec 24 2013, Posts 335

William is at the end of his menstrual cycle again.

Posted on Sat, Jun 30 2018 08:01
by johnstaf
Joined on Thu, Apr 21 2011, EI, Posts 216

Originally Posted by: mh-7635 Go to Quoted Post

If you are referring to music, then a great deal.

If you are referring to sample programming, then a great deal.

If you are referring to Synchron, then I am using my ears, my professional experience and a personal subjectivity - how else can it be when considering purchase.

 

Fantastic music!

Cubase (OS agnostic). Various VSL bits and pieces.

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