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Synchron Player Rulesets for Notion6
Last post Tue, Jul 03 2018 by Tensivity, 15 replies.
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Posted on Fri, Jun 22 2018 02:25
by Tensivity
Joined on Sun, Dec 16 2012, San Francisco California USA, Posts 273

I've created rulesets for Notion 6 for Synchron Player with Synchron Strings.

Some creativity was required as the Synchron Strings don't contain complete articulations and techniques (no spiccatto, no staccatto accents, no tenutos, no detaches, etc.).  I'd be interested to know if others have other approaches to reproducing some of these.

As "prules" is not an allowed file type for posting to the VSL community boards, you can find them here:

https://forums.presonus.com/viewtopic.php?f=169&t=30823&p=176818#p176818

Michael

Posted on Sun, Jun 24 2018 21:18
by Steve Steele
Joined on Sun, Dec 04 2011, Posts 92

Thanks Michael. I'll try these out and report back. Let me see if I can come up with the other articulations. Might take several days, got a full plate at the moment. I did build a TouchOSC interface for Synchron Piano, I might do the same for Synchron Strings. If you want a copy let me know.

Thanks again! Always enjoy when someone makes Prules. Saves me time!

Steve Steele
VSL Certified
stevesteele.com

Regards,
Steve Steele
https://www.stevesteele.com
Posted on Mon, Jun 25 2018 15:35
by Bill
Joined on Fri, Sep 23 2005, Berkshires, MA, Posts 1153

Thanks Michael,

It's been so long I've forgoton the key combo for inseting the Rule set in a score!

 

Bill

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Posted on Tue, Jun 26 2018 02:21
by Tensivity
Joined on Sun, Dec 16 2012, San Francisco California USA, Posts 273

Originally Posted by: Bill Go to Quoted Post

Thanks Michael,

It's been so long I've forgoton the key combo for inseting the Rule set in a score!

 

Bill

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Nice to see you here, Bill!

Posted on Fri, Jun 29 2018 11:46
by Arsenal
Joined on Sat, Nov 26 2016, Posts 19

Thank you Very much! :  )

Really appreciated

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Does anyone know if there is a way to also include the keyswitches during export? (e.g. for use/import of midi into a DAW)

Also when I try to use the Send to Studio One 3 (ScoreTransfer from Notion 6 to S1) the articulation switches/changes seem to be lost (Also checked the other CCs/changes)

Somehow I cant find the (simulated, great idea!) spiccatto in Notion. Could anyone be so kind and tell me where I can find it?

 

Thanks a lot

Posted on Sat, Jun 30 2018 01:32
by Tensivity
Joined on Sun, Dec 16 2012, San Francisco California USA, Posts 273

Originally Posted by: Arsenal Go to Quoted Post

Thank you Very much! :  )

Really appreciated

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Does anyone know if there is a way to also include the keyswitches during export? (e.g. for use/import of midi into a DAW)

Also when I try to use the Send to Studio One 3 (ScoreTransfer from Notion 6 to S1) the articulation switches/changes seem to be lost (Also checked the other CCs/changes)

Somehow I cant find the (simulated, great idea!) spiccatto in Notion. Could anyone be so kind and tell me where I can find it?

 

Thanks a lot

You're welcome!  I have the same problem, I've submitted a support ticket to Presonus regarding the issue.  I think something may have gotten broken with the recent Notion 6 update for Studio One 4.  

I haven't tested, but the switches should export to MIDI AFAIK.

In my ruleset, spiccato is triggered by the staccatissimo symbol, but I see that's double assigned.  My bad!  I've just changed mine to be triggered by Staccatissimo Accent.  You can assign it to any symbol you like using the ruleset editor.

Enjoy!

Michael

Posted on Sat, Jun 30 2018 01:36
by Tensivity
Joined on Sun, Dec 16 2012, San Francisco California USA, Posts 273

Just got this response from Presonus, haven't yet tested.:

Hi Michael,

I just did some testing with this scenario and it seems that if you export your file to MIDI and then manually drag that MIDI file into Studio One, you will get the keyswitches.  If you just send note data from Notion to Studio One, it will drop the keyswitches.  Let me know if you are seeing the same thing.

Best Regards,

Posted on Sat, Jun 30 2018 21:04
by Fabio Biolcati
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2013, Posts 198

Originally Posted by: Tensivity Go to Quoted Post

Just got this response from Presonus, haven't yet tested.:

Hi Michael,

I just did some testing with this scenario and it seems that if you export your file to MIDI and then manually drag that MIDI file into Studio One, you will get the keyswitches.  If you just send note data from Notion to Studio One, it will drop the keyswitches.  Let me know if you are seeing the same thing.

Best Regards,

I can confirm it works this way in Reaper.
You'll notice a keyswitch value for every note in the score, due to be able to play the right articuation at any position you'll start playback.
Hope it helps.
Cheers

Fabio Biolcati
SE1 Bundle, SE2&3 Strings; Notion5; Tannoy Reveal 501a
Posted on Sun, Jul 01 2018 18:56
by Tensivity
Joined on Sun, Dec 16 2012, San Francisco California USA, Posts 273

Originally Posted by: Fabio Biolcati Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Tensivity Go to Quoted Post

Just got this response from Presonus, haven't yet tested.:

Hi Michael,

I just did some testing with this scenario and it seems that if you export your file to MIDI and then manually drag that MIDI file into Studio One, you will get the keyswitches.  If you just send note data from Notion to Studio One, it will drop the keyswitches.  Let me know if you are seeing the same thing.

Best Regards,

I can confirm it works this way in Reaper.
You'll notice a keyswitch value for every note in the score, due to be able to play the right articuation at any position you'll start playback.
Hope it helps.
Cheers

Thanks, Fabio.  I got it to work with Cubase, but not with Studio One, but I've just looked at it briefly.

Posted on Mon, Jul 02 2018 07:37
by Arsenal
Joined on Sat, Nov 26 2016, Posts 19

Strangely it does indeed work with Reaper, but not S1/Notion

I tried both variants, "Send to Studio One" and simply midi importing, with Studio One (3.5.6.46910 OSX) and Notion (6.4.462 OSX)

Can anyone provide any further insight or ideas?

Thank you

Posted on Mon, Jul 02 2018 08:02
by Tensivity
Joined on Sun, Dec 16 2012, San Francisco California USA, Posts 273

Originally Posted by: Arsenal Go to Quoted Post

Strangely it does indeed work with Reaper, but not S1/Notion

I tried both variants, "Send to Studio One" and simply midi importing, with Studio One (3.5.6.46910 OSX) and Notion (6.4.462 OSX)

Can anyone provide any further insight or ideas?

Thank you

I responded to the tech support reply.  Still waiting...

Will update if I hear back.

Posted on Mon, Jul 02 2018 08:20
by Arsenal
Joined on Sat, Nov 26 2016, Posts 19

Originally Posted by: Tensivity Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Arsenal Go to Quoted Post

Strangely it does indeed work with Reaper, but not S1/Notion

I tried both variants, "Send to Studio One" and simply midi importing, with Studio One (3.5.6.46910 OSX) and Notion (6.4.462 OSX)

Can anyone provide any further insight or ideas?

Thank you

I responded to the tech support reply.  Still waiting...

Will update if I hear back.

 

Thank you very much : )

Thought about there could be some sort of automated midi filter working internally, like "filter programm CC, everything under c1", but I could not find any information on this subject. I got the idea from knowing that filtering is possible with external midi devices.

Posted on Mon, Jul 02 2018 11:26
by Fabio Biolcati
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2013, Posts 198

Originally Posted by: Arsenal Go to Quoted Post

Strangely it does indeed work with Reaper, but not S1/Notion

I tried both variants, "Send to Studio One" and simply midi importing, with Studio One (3.5.6.46910 OSX) and Notion (6.4.462 OSX)

Tech Support says "manually drag that MIDI file into Studio One". Same as I do in Reaper. Guess this why it works – I'm not a S1 user…

Hope it helps. Cheers.

Fabio Biolcati
SE1 Bundle, SE2&3 Strings; Notion5; Tannoy Reveal 501a
Posted on Mon, Jul 02 2018 14:00
by Arsenal
Joined on Sat, Nov 26 2016, Posts 19

Originally Posted by: Fabio Biolcati Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Arsenal Go to Quoted Post

Strangely it does indeed work with Reaper, but not S1/Notion

I tried both variants, "Send to Studio One" and simply midi importing, with Studio One (3.5.6.46910 OSX) and Notion (6.4.462 OSX)

Tech Support says "manually drag that MIDI file into Studio One". Same as I do in Reaper. Guess this why it works – I'm not a S1 user…

Hope it helps. Cheers.

 

No, does not work in Studio One. Yes in Reaper

Too bad, but thank you anyway : )

Posted on Tue, Jul 03 2018 16:57
by Tensivity
Joined on Sun, Dec 16 2012, San Francisco California USA, Posts 273

Here's the fix for the issue of keyswitches not appearing in S1 drag and drop, which fixes the issue:

Hi Michael,

I heard back from our Product Manager and he recommends setting the option to "send note-offs" in the rules editor prior to sending to Studio One.  This may be why my export was working and yours was not.  He told me that some DAWs require this option as others do not.  Let us know what you find out.

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