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Last post Fri, Jul 13 2018 by fahl5, 9 replies.
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Posted on Fri, Jul 06 2018 11:06
by fahl5
Joined on Fri, Feb 04 2005, Göttingen, Posts 956

(Apart from the necessary improvement towards a less "bold" (see Dietz posting) and ignorant reaction on serious support requests) here are two other suggestions for the Synchronplayer:

1) As in VI the Synchronplayer allows to control settings and Patchselections among others as well via Keyswitches as with CC's.

As the VI the keyswitches are visible named in the UI in the Synchronplayer in the colored square beside the Name of the Articulation/Dimension which he selects.

When we have chosen in VI  to controle not with Keyswitches, but with a CC, than the numerical value is made visible where for instance another patch is selected. Why is this in Synchron not the same?

It could not be so difficult to make those value exactly in those colored squares visible where currently the Keyswitches are visible when something is controled by Keyswitches and which are currently simply left empty when a CC (Dimension-Controler) is chosen to controle a selection.

2) Could the switch between monophonic and polyphonic Legato be automized in any way?

If not I would suggest this might be interesting to have.

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Posted on Fri, Jul 06 2018 12:04
by belkina
Joined on Sun, Jun 13 2004, Montreal, Posts 475

I agree that a more precise and accessible way to use midi CC for patch changes would be a great feature. Spitfire has their standard list (UACC) and I find it very useful. VSL could use that one, or else create something similar. It is VERY useful to know, for example that, with CC#32, artic #1 is always sus, and artic #20 is always staccato, etc.

Originally Posted by: fahl5 Go to Quoted Post

(Apart from the necessary improvement towards a less "bold" (see Dietz posting) and ignorant reaction on serious support requests) here are two other suggestions for the Synchronplayer:

1) As in VI the Synchronplayer allows to control settings and Patchselections among others as well via Keyswitches as with CC's.

As the VI the keyswitches are visible named in the UI in the Synchronplayer in the colored square beside the Name of the Articulation/Dimension which he selects.

When we have chosen in VI  to controle not with Keyswitches, but with a CC, than the numerical value is made visible where for instance another patch is selected. Why is this in Synchron not the same?

It could not be so difficult to make those value exactly in those colored squares visible where currently the Keyswitches are visible when something is controled by Keyswitches and which are currently simply left empty when a CC (Dimension-Controler) is chosen to controle a selection.

2) Could the switch between monophonic and polyphonic Legato be automized in any way?

If not I would suggest this might be interesting to have.

Posted on Wed, Jul 11 2018 15:33
by KProckup
Joined on Thu, Mar 28 2013, Posts 2

Yes, I spent about 2 months organizing my VSL libraries so that they reflect the same UACC model as Spitfire.  Now I can write a track in a VSL instrument, then copy the MIDI region into a VSL track and it works perfectly.  

Posted on Thu, Jul 12 2018 09:07
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12987

Hi, 

You can already automate MONO/POLY Legato, it is a plug-in parameter (simply record the automation in your DAW and you will have the corresponding automation lane right there). 

The whole structure in Synchron Player is different from the organization in VI/PRO.
Of course you can create your own presets, which could be controlled any way you like.

Feel free to send us an example of how you would like your presets to look like. The structure will be easy to replicate for all other instruments. 

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Jul 12 2018 09:26
by mobileavatar
Joined on Mon, Jul 25 2011, Posts 64

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

You can already automate MONO/POLY Legato, it is a plug-in parameter (simply record the automation in your DAW and you will have the corresponding automation lane right there). 

Hi Paul,

Thanks for your input. Would you elaborate a little on the use of MONO/POLY Legato in the context of Synchron Strings I? What will be the advantage of MONO legato (if there is no portamento)?

I also hae a question on Fast Legato: in the manual for Fast Legato, it says "

17F VI-14_Leg-Fast-Vib

Trills/fast legato, with vibrato

Trills up to 4th, all other intervals legato"

How do they actually work? Would it be the case: when two notes are held (up to perfect 4th), they will sound as tremolo, and if it's larger than perfect 4th, they will function normally like any other agile legato?

Thanks in advance.

Mobileavatar

Posted on Thu, Jul 12 2018 09:56
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12987

Hi, 

The advantage of MONO legato is that you are streaming less samples when restricting yourself to monophonic legato lines. 

I think you mixed up tremolo and trills in your question.... but yes, the Leg_Fast-Vib covers all intervals up to the perfect 4th for a fast note connection, and bigger intervals will use the regular legato. 

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Jul 12 2018 19:32
by mobileavatar
Joined on Mon, Jul 25 2011, Posts 64

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

The advantage of MONO legato is that you are streaming less samples when restricting yourself to monophonic legato lines. 

Understood. Thanks for the clarification.

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

I think you mixed up tremolo and trills in your question.... but yes, the Leg_Fast-Vib covers all intervals up to the perfect 4th for a fast note connection, and bigger intervals will use the regular legato. 

Maybe it's a difference in language. In English, when the interval is bigger than HT/WT, it is often referred to as "tremolo", rather than "trill". (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tremolo) <- I am not saying Wikipedia is authoratative, but just as reference.

One more question though: if bigger inervals will use the regular legato. So for larger intervals, there is no "agile" (fast) legato (yet)? Is my understanding correct?

Thanks in advance.

Posted on Thu, Jul 12 2018 22:05
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12987

Hi, 

Yes, your understanding is correct. That's also how the fast legato were recorded in our VI collections. 

Best.
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Jul 13 2018 09:04
by fahl5
Joined on Fri, Feb 04 2005, Göttingen, Posts 956

Originally Posted by: KProckup Go to Quoted Post

Yes, I spent about 2 months organizing my VSL libraries so that they reflect the same UACC model as Spitfire.  Now I can write a track in a VSL instrument, then copy the MIDI region into a VSL track and it works perfectly.  

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

Hi, 

The whole structure in Synchron Player is different from the organization in VI/PRO.
Of course you can create your own presets, which could be controlled any way you like.

Feel free to send us an example of how you would like your presets to look like. The structure will be easy to replicate for all other instruments. 

Best, 
Paul

I fear this deserves to be explained a bit more precise, to understand, what the UACC-Model of Spitfire has to do with the Display of the CC-Values where a certain Patch or setting changes:

If you currently chose in VI aswell as in the SyPlayer a Dimension (x or Y in VI, a Dimension Controler in SyPl) to be controled by a CC the Player automatically divide the 127 available Values in even large ranges the more different Patches are choseable the smaller are the ranges for each. That means to be the second in a List of two choosable Patches could be in effect all Values above 64, while to be the second in a list of 10 different Patches will be something between 12 and 24.  All values in a "Dimension" will change in consequence as soon you add another. (My request to at least display the Values where the Selection changes as yoiu already display the Keyswitches should at least help to program without the necessity to always searching the right range with Trial and error. 

The Question to allow a similar handling like the UACC even goes beyond. Since there certain Types of Articulations have always exactly the same Value (for instance all very Short Articulation no matter if it woulkd be Trumpet, Cello or Clarinet are selected by perhaps Value 64 all Legatos in all Instruments perhaps with the Value 46 and all Tremolo with 96 no matter how much other Articulation-Patches are available for each certain instrument. If ever there are Tremoli they are selected with 96. To program something similar in the Synchronplayer would afford to have very precise and individual controle over the certain Value, or Range of Values assigned to a certain kind of Patches. And as far as I see this would currently be pretty difficult, since the CC's split the Range of Values only dependent from the nummer of available Patchpositions and it is not that easy to find out where this Range or the next one exactly starts.

In short perhaps it would be worth to consider a more detailed controle on the assignment of CC-Values to select a Position in a Synchronplayer-Position

(Sorry for being detailed and instructive again, I know you hate that in general, but sometimes it nevertheless might help )

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four parallel interpretations of ambitious classical scores with up to twelve different Libraries

http://beethoven.resampled.de
currently the first four Symphonies of L.v.Beethoven completly recorded with the finest available orchestra samplelibraries (BBCSO, SSO, STO)

http://klassik-resampled.de
Currently 4330 mp3 with more than a whole Week (=more than 8 Days /=nearly 200 hours) of sample based interpretations of complete Scores from 7 Centuries
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