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Using Synchron Player with VST expression maps ?
Last post Tue, Oct 09 2018 by javajam, 14 replies.
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Posted on Wed, Sep 05 2018 20:18
by mldunn
Joined on Wed, Sep 08 2010, South Downs, UK, Posts 27

Hallo.

Forgive me if this has been asked already.

I just bought and installed Appassionata for Synchron Player; I already own the standard Appassionata Library. I use this normally with VST expression maps that I have made myself in Nuendo 8. My question is - how do you use VST expression with the synchron player presets when some of the articulations need two key switches ? So for example a cello (in Synchron Preset) requires both C#1 and G6 for Marcato. Not quite sure how I would do that when building a VST expression map. Or do I just have to build all my own presets with only one 'dimension' ? How are you guys doing this ?

Thanks,

Best wishes,

Mike

Michael Lisle Dunn
www.mldunn.net
Posted on Wed, Sep 05 2018 21:13
by mldunn
Joined on Wed, Sep 08 2010, South Downs, UK, Posts 27

Actually, it is such a different concept using this player that I am not sure VST expression maps quite hack it. Not enough slots in them for a full tree in Synchron. I think I will use the new player for just the articulations I have now gained (eg non vib sus) and stick as I am with the original appassionatas library. As people have pointed out on other threads here, it is difficult to improve on perfect ;p

Michael Lisle Dunn
www.mldunn.net
Posted on Wed, Sep 05 2018 21:59
by TFIS
Joined on Tue, Dec 14 2010, Posts 70

For some reasons I don't like the presets delivered by VSL ("wasting" the modwheel for articulations instead using it for dynamics, for instance).

So I build all presets from scratch (VIPro and SynchronPlayer).

I try to use allways the same keyswitches for the different libraries.

A is sustain, B is legato, doesn't matter if strings woodwinds or brass.

For synchron strings I use keyswitches inside the synchron player, which are remapped to my personal keyswitches / expression maps.

Posted on Wed, Sep 05 2018 22:19
by stan-k
Joined on Tue, Jun 24 2014, Germany, Posts 21

I think you can do it by just adding another event in your Output Mapping. Go to Expression Map Setup, choose your Marcato Sound Slot, press + in the Output Mapping (top right), choose Note-On and add another note like C#1 or G6. Have not tested it myself, hope that works.

Stan K
Posted on Wed, Sep 05 2018 22:31
by mldunn
Joined on Wed, Sep 08 2010, South Downs, UK, Posts 27

Thanks TFIS, I agree, in VI/VEP I have built all my templates and keyswitches from scratch. Seems I will have to do the same in Synchron, though I thought otherwise.

Mike

Michael Lisle Dunn
www.mldunn.net
Posted on Wed, Sep 05 2018 22:34
by mldunn
Joined on Wed, Sep 08 2010, South Downs, UK, Posts 27

Thank you stan-k. Yup, That would be an option too. More experimentation to be done for different options. I had not realised until you pointed it out that in the output mapping I can have more than one destination assigned. I think that is the answer. Cheers !

Mike

Michael Lisle Dunn
www.mldunn.net
Posted on Thu, Sep 06 2018 07:46
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 2937

Hello!

I'd just like to mention that we offer VST Expression Maps for Synchron Strings I, which also work with SYNCHRON-ized Chamber Strings and SYNCHRON-ized Appassionata Strings. They incorporate the keyswitches, but not MIDI CC commands. You could give them a try.
https://www.vsl.co.at/en/Notation_Related

Best regards,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Sep 06 2018 09:49
by mldunn
Joined on Wed, Sep 08 2010, South Downs, UK, Posts 27

This is perfect Andi, I had no idea these existed, thank you.

Best wishes,

Mike

Originally Posted by: andi Go to Quoted Post

Hello!

I'd just like to mention that we offer VST Expression Maps for Synchron Strings I, which also work with SYNCHRON-ized Chamber Strings and SYNCHRON-ized Appassionata Strings. They incorporate the keyswitches, but not MIDI CC commands. You could give them a try.
https://www.vsl.co.at/en/Notation_Related

Best regards,
Andi

Michael Lisle Dunn
www.mldunn.net
Posted on Fri, Sep 07 2018 18:37
by mldunn
Joined on Wed, Sep 08 2010, South Downs, UK, Posts 27

Andi, I would just like to thank you again for pointing me in the right direction. Seeing these VST expression maps has helped me realise quite what possibilities there are with the Synchron Player, it is very complex and will reward deep research, study and experimentation. Though I will be making my own presets and expression maps these are very informative. My initial response on this thread was a little naive. As someone who constantly ran out of slots in VI PRO I am starting to see how useful and expressive this will be. I am starting to think that, maybe, perfect has been improved upon ;p

Thanks again,

Best wishes,

Mike

Originally Posted by: andi Go to Quoted Post

 You could give them a try.

Best regards,
Andi

Michael Lisle Dunn
www.mldunn.net
Posted on Tue, Oct 02 2018 13:51
by javajam
Joined on Sun, Mar 13 2005, Paris, France, Posts 134

Originally Posted by: TFIS Go to Quoted Post
"wasting" the modwheel for articulations instead using it for dynamics, for instance).


I agree! I'll try to start from an existing map, I guess it will be quicker and easier ;-)

Posted on Wed, Oct 03 2018 20:05
by JimmyHellfire
Joined on Tue, Dec 24 2013, Posts 313

I always made my own presets in VI Pro and it's the same for Synchron Player. There really are no limitations to using the latter with expression maps. There are many ways to customize and remap everything, and expression maps do respond to simultaneous keyswitches and/or CCs without issues.

Posted on Fri, Oct 05 2018 16:10
by javajam
Joined on Sun, Mar 13 2005, Paris, France, Posts 134

Originally Posted by: andi Go to Quoted Post
I'd just like to mention that we offer VST Expression Maps for Synchron Strings I, which also work with SYNCHRON-ized Chamber Strings and SYNCHRON-ized Appassionata Strings. They incorporate the keyswitches, but not MIDI CC commands. You could give them a try.
https://www.vsl.co.at/en/Notation_Related
Best regards,
Andi


Hi Andi,
I made some changes in SP, keeping vib XF slots only and going to a key note instead of CC for regular/lyrical switching. I implemented regular & lyrical XFvib in Expression Maps using group 2 but it doesn't work... Having the XFvib in Group 1 works but it stops and replaces the other articulations indeed so not a solution. Any idea ?
Thanks!
Alain

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Posted on Sat, Oct 06 2018 08:28
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 2937

Hello Alain!

I can't say what goes wrong in your Expression Map, but if you introduce a second group, you will always have to think about all possible (and impossible) combinations of Group 1 and Group 2 articulations. So this could make your Expression Map huge.

Best regards,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Tue, Oct 09 2018 15:28
by javajam
Joined on Sun, Mar 13 2005, Paris, France, Posts 134

I think I had forgotten about how it works. Fixed now, had to double every relevant articulation and address the group 2 vib articulations for each...

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