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Last post Mon, Oct 15 2018 by Fabio Biolcati, 12 replies.
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Posted on Tue, Oct 09 2018 13:25
by Jos Wylin
Joined on Mon, Dec 03 2012, Flanders, Belgium, Posts 557

Hi dear friends, 

After a too long pause, here I'm back with an arrangement* of 2 contradansen. These are again historic and anonymous dances taken from a booklet collected by J.B.R. D'Aubat de Saint-Flour (1757). He was a French violinist/composer who married a (Belgian) girl from Mons and settled finally in Ghent. There he became one of the second violinists of the town orchestra and dancing master of the city. In his booklet he collected some 120 dances. Undoubtedly some were written by himself, but many appeared in earlier collections as well (in Flanders and France). Two of these bundles were preserved at the Ghent University library. 

These dances are now often considered as folk dances, but originally they were not. In the 18th century they were only danced by the wealthier people (nobility, rich middle and upper class, at the courts of counts and dukes, kings...). In most cases only the tune was written down. Most of the performing musicians knew the practice to play them in 3 or even 4 voices on the spot. Sometimes, a figured bass (continuo) was added briefly.

Enjoy these dances!

Jos

2 contradansen

or on YouTube: 2 Contradansen

* I've used a harpsichord, baroque traverso and oboe, bassoon for these dances, as well as the chamber strings and solo strings. Ambience with the Vienna Suite: IR Teldex wide; tail reverb: Miracle Synchron Stages wide)

http://www.joswyl.be
compositions and sampling exercises
Posted on Tue, Oct 09 2018 16:32
by crusoe
Joined on Sat, Dec 26 2009, Posts 79

Hi Jos,

I thought you did a great job with these pieces. Dynamics are convincing, the instruments are balanced, I'd give one specific mention to the harpsichord, which sits there in the mix just perfectly. And the continuo is so full and yet non-obtrusive.

And the music is beatiful, of course. I enjoyed every second of it.

Cheers,

Crusoe.

Posted on Wed, Oct 10 2018 17:12
by Jos Wylin
Joined on Mon, Dec 03 2012, Flanders, Belgium, Posts 557

Thanks Crusoe for having taken the time to listen to these short dances. You know that that kind of music is very dear to me, it has been a major part of my musical past and I can't leave it. I feel I still have so much to 'arrange' since there are hundreds of these little jewels waiting in dusty archives to be unveiled and performed once again. A big anachronism, but still fine to hear them...

I've added a Youtube link as well now.

Jos

http://www.joswyl.be
compositions and sampling exercises
Posted on Wed, Oct 10 2018 17:56
by Pieman1560
Joined on Mon, May 07 2018, Gloucestershire, UK, Posts 28

Hi Jos

Mate, that was lovely i really enjoyed that.

it must have taken ages to do!

Did you use MIR for this, as it just sounds beautiful on my headphones.

I use VI Pro with Mirx, but the more i hear the music forum members post here the more i think i'll need to get my wallet out as the quality of the work ive heard on here recently is astonishing and your piece is no exception to me.

its the reason i took the plunge into the VSL world and i'm really glad i did.

i really look forwards to hearing more mate

Kindest regards

Paul

Posted on Wed, Oct 10 2018 22:16
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5128

Those are really interesting to hear and very well done.  That is a great project, doing recordings of these otherwise forgotten works.  You have a wonderful resource to work with.  

Posted on Thu, Oct 11 2018 12:24
by fahl5
Joined on Fri, Feb 04 2005, Hall One, Posts 899

nice done

Dont remain a perpetual nagging 2-minutes-Demo-"wanna be artist".
Better let us hear what you and good Samplelibraries like VSL are realy able to:

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Posted on Thu, Oct 11 2018 16:20
by Jos Wylin
Joined on Mon, Dec 03 2012, Flanders, Belgium, Posts 557

Thanks Paul, William and Steffen for the listen and your comment.

Paul: no MIR was involved here. Actually rather modest means: IR from the Vienna Suite, Teldex wide; overal reverb (tail) with MIRacle, Synchron Stages wide. That's all. And to you: don't get disappointed when the first results don't seem to be comparable to the ones by more experienced VSL users. With a dose of selfcritcism and perseverance you will gradually come to the same results (or even better). A good thing is to listen to much good examples and real recorded music. Then try to catch the ambience in your work. However, don't push it and don't try too long. Switch regularly to real music to distract your ears.

Jos

http://www.joswyl.be
compositions and sampling exercises
Posted on Thu, Oct 11 2018 16:23
by crusoe
Joined on Sat, Dec 26 2009, Posts 79

Quote:
   You know that that kind of music is very dear to me, it has been a major part of my musical past and I can't leave it. 

Although in a different musical context, I can relate to this very well. Musical "truth", embedded within our minds one way or another, doesn't have an expiration period.

Again, thanks for sharing.

Crusoe.

Posted on Fri, Oct 12 2018 17:44
by Paul McGraw
Joined on Mon, Feb 29 2016, Georgia, USA, Posts 345

Sounds really great. I am not particularly into this era of music but it sounded quite believable to me.

Posted on Sun, Oct 14 2018 01:53
by Acclarion
Joined on Sat, Aug 15 2015, Canada, Eh!, Posts 375

Hi Jos,

You've received some well-deserved praise for these wonderful pieces.  They were jubilant, charming, and elegant.  Your virtual rendition didn't make me long for "real instruments" at all.  Congratulations and glad to see you sharing music again!

Dave

www.dearvillainmusic.com - music for live performance by David Carovillano

www.acclarion.ca - concert accordion & clarinet duo
Posted on Mon, Oct 15 2018 16:28
by Jos Wylin
Joined on Mon, Dec 03 2012, Flanders, Belgium, Posts 557

Thanks Paul and Dave for the listen and your nice comments.

To tell the truth: I chose these two dances to practise again with the old fashioned means: no MIR or another ready made acoustic environment. Everything was done with the Vienna Suite (IR and Reverb, panning, depth, EQ...) I wanted to go back to the roots to learn how an ambience is made. For that purpose, a longer piece was not necessary. So an old approach.

Today I posted a remix with some stero field improvements (the mid field was too empty in the first mix).

Thanks,

Jos

http://www.joswyl.be
compositions and sampling exercises
Posted on Mon, Oct 15 2018 19:44
by Fabio Biolcati
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2013, Milano — Italy, Posts 133

The most entertaining 2:33 of the week.

Fabio Biolcati
SE1 Bundle, SE2&3 Strings; Notion5; Tannoy Reveal 501a
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