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Last post Thu, Jan 10 2019 by littlewierdo, 25 replies.
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Posted on Tue, Jan 08 2019 12:55
by littlewierdo
Joined on Sun, Apr 24 2016, Posts 96

I think some people are confused at what MIR Pro and Mirx are...

MIR Pro is the completely flexible and fully customizable convolution reverb engine, which allows placement of instruments in a drag and drop style UI that displays the venue in a graphical type representation of said venue. Six rommpacks are available seperately from the engine (the engine itself does nothing without one of the six roompacks). MIR Pro 24 is a less expensive version of the engine that is limited to 24 channels, but otherwise, is the same as MIR Pro feature wise. MIR Pro and MIR Pro 24 are available inside Ensemble or as a VST3 plugin.

MIRx is a significantly less expensive option without the fiddly-bits that MIR Pro offers. Unlike MIR Pro, only 5 venues are available (as opposed to 6 for MIR Pro) and it has a very limited feature set, namely, MIRx ONLY works with Vienna sounds and only offers a few preset locations for an instrument. MIRx is only accessible inside Vienna Instruments when viewing the window in Advanced mode under the reverb tab. Some might argue (including me) that the major advantage of MIRx over MIR Pro is its ease of use (enable it and it just works) and of course its price vs MIR Pro.

MIRx is around $100 per venue (with a total of 5 venues) and MIR Pro venues are between $100-$200ish a piece, and the engine is about $300 for the 24 channel and $650 for the unlimited channel version.

Hopefully this helps, as I was reading through the thread and people are using MIR and MIRx interchangeably, and they are sort of related, but two completely different products.

My hope is that the MIRx venues I have purchased do not have to be purchased again for use with Synchron, that would make me sad...

Posted on Tue, Jan 08 2019 23:11
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7129

Thanks for the great review! :-)

Just a little addendum, to avoid any confusion:

Originally Posted by: littlewierdo Go to Quoted Post
[...] Unlike MIR Pro, only 5 venues are available (as opposed to 6 for MIR Pro) [...]

There are indeed five Venues available for MIRx, but there are almost 20 Venues available for MIR Pro (not counting the multiple microphone perspectives within the same halls). They are organized in six collections called "RoomPack", though, which might have led to the misunderstanding.

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My hope is that the MIRx venues I have purchased do not have to be purchased again for use with Synchron, that would make me sad...

All MIRx settings I ever created were given to MIR Pro users for free (... about 2,000 individual, hand-treated presets, one might add!). This will be the case, too, as soon as MIRx Synchron Stage gets released. 

 

Kind regards,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, Jan 09 2019 18:59
by littlewierdo
Joined on Sun, Apr 24 2016, Posts 96

Yea, I should have clarified, venues is a loosely defined term haha.

Id love an upgrade path from MIRx to MIR Pro, considering I have purchased (nearly) all the MIRx venues (I plan to purchase the remaining two I do not yet have later this week). I only recently decided to start looking into MIR Pro (a few days ago) as my long time feeling was that while the flexibility of MIR Pro was fantastic, it far exceeded my meager needs. However, I was not aware that MIR Pro contained a hybrid reverb plugin (I think you call it MIRacles?). Sadly, it only gets a brief mention at the end of the last video for MIR Pro and gets a one line mention right in the middle of the product features, where in my view, gets lost among MIR Pro's myriad of other features.

Based on what I can tell, MIRacles seems to be a somewhat limited version of the same reverb plugin provided in Vienna Suite Pro, probably closer to its cheaper alternative, Vienna Suite's hybrid reverb plugin.

I really like the hybrid reverb that is in Vienna Suite / Vienna Suite Pro, but I found two big things that very much disappointed me about it. First, the limited number of presets in the EQ settings, particularly for percussion, which in my opinion, needs more sweetening than any other instrument Vienna sells (the Vienna percussion sounds flat, not very dynamic, no oomph or pizzazz). Secondly, I was disappointed at the complete lack of integration in Vienna Ensemble. It appears MIR Pro is completely integrated into Ensemble, but Vienna Suite is nowhere to be found, and I cant stand how much of a pain in the ass it is to add FX plugins in Cubase (Im really big into creating tracks quickly and getting to the writing as quickly as possible).

Looking at MIR Pro, it looks like it offers the flexibility but is deeply integrated into Ensemble and has ample presets with enough integration to automatically assign those presets, provided it is being used with Vienna sounds.

Perhaps, those that have purchased MIRx complete can get either MIR Pro 24 at a steeply discounted price or a venue of their choosing with the purchase of MIR Pro 24 / MIR Pro? I was also unaware that MIRx was free for purchased venues, otherwise, I would have bought MIR Pro venues instead for the option of upgrading to MIR Pro...

Posted on Wed, Jan 09 2019 22:53
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7129

Originally Posted by: littlewierdo Go to Quoted Post
[...] I was also unaware that MIRx was free for purchased venues, otherwise, I would have bought MIR Pro venues instead for the option of upgrading to MIR Pro...

Actually, the settings I created for MIRx come free with the respective MIR Pro Venue (in "MIRx Mode"). You don't get MIRx (the product) per se.

Kind regards,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Jan 10 2019 12:48
by littlewierdo
Joined on Sun, Apr 24 2016, Posts 96

Ahh, ok, I dont feel so bad having MIRx then. Its nice to pick a venue and without any fiddling (Im not a very good violin player), it just sounds good. Thinking Ill pick up a MIR Pro demo license when I know Ill have some time to play with it.

Right now, I need to see if I can figure out how to get Vienna Suite integrated into Ensemble, rather than my DAW, before the demo license expires, otherwise, I might be sending the support staff an email in the future for help on how to do this and obtaining another 30 day trial license if possible. I really think Id like to buy it but I want the routing and hosting done in Ensemble...

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