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Last post Wed, May 08 2019 by musicman691, 435 replies.
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Posted on Mon, Mar 04 2019 18:33
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 516

Believe it or not ... but a friend of mine told me what the problem with the validation is.

Read carefully: Paul Kopf is Moses 2.0!

God will be the one who has to validate!

He will reach a next generation iPad from cloud No. 7 to Paul’s hands and say: „Paul-Moses Kopf ... you are ready to receive ... here it is ... the List of Features.“


So clear now what happened and why it takes so long! Sorry for the misunderstanding!




Posted on Mon, Mar 04 2019 19:10
by Joh
Joined on Wed, Jul 18 2012, Posts 19
Originally Posted by: bbelius Go to Quoted Post
I think it was good to make the announcement so soon: If you were planning to buy VEPro you will get the new version but can use v6 today. If you bought version 6 30 days ago you can refund and buy v7. This is the same as a grace period. And as Paul confirmed: The price will stay until after more infos are available. It's a good thing for the customer.
So why complaining? Just be a little more patient. Nobody forces anyone to buy until we get more information...


Well, the mere fact the taiko drums were only available at a time when ZERO information was available clearly proves it’s not a grace period they had in mind ...

Posted on Mon, Mar 04 2019 21:39
by wienryk
Joined on Wed, Feb 22 2006, Poland, Posts 6

I have exactly this same dilemma. If I upgrade VEPro 6 to VEPro 7 will my 2 other licences work or I have to buy new licenses 

Posted on Mon, Mar 04 2019 22:23
by musicman691
Joined on Sun, Nov 18 2012, Posts 136

Originally Posted by: wienryk Go to Quoted Post

I have exactly this same dilemma. If I upgrade VEPro 6 to VEPro 7 will my 2 other licences work or I have to buy new licenses 

Your existing VEPro 6 licenses will still work but only with VEPro 6. VEPro 7 licenses will only work with that version. If you need the other two missing licenses so you can work totally in VEPro 7 you need to pay extra for those. 6 and 7 cannot work with each other according to Paul Kopf.

Jack
PT 2019.6 and DP 9.52 on OSX 10.13.6
Qapla!
Posted on Tue, Mar 05 2019 09:37
by fatis12_24918
Joined on Sat, Dec 16 2006, Posts 269

 

To be very honest I'm a bit surprised by the large discussion about licenses: actually if you own VEP 6, you may update 1 licence + EO2.0 for 75€ and if you need to update all the 3 VEP 6 licenses you just buy 2 more single licence update at 45€ each. What's wrong?

Total cost is easy to calculate, and I don't think it's just a bad policy change, the opposite it has some advantage as well (e.g. if you don't need additional licenses or if you need just 1, you will pay according your real need, not being forced to the batch).

What's a bit weird instead is the almost total lack of technical features explanation, but we are not forced to buy today:

the people buying today just trust VSL for the previous good experience with VE Pro, and hope it will keep the standard. Due to the fact VEP is the core of my system I had no doubt about using the last version available, because the actual one starts to be unstable and conflicts with recent OS and VST updates are day by day more frequent, so a VEP software update was really welcome if it just makes the program solid and compatible again.

Any additional feature beside stability and compatibility is very welcome, but not the core motivation factor for me. I just hope VSL will not disappoint the trust... in case they will do, of course next time I won't buy any pre-order anymore (as I won't pre-buy anything from Synchron series after being disappointed by Synchron Strings I).

Very simple, isn't it? :)

Posted on Tue, Mar 05 2019 10:14
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 516

Hello Fatis,

I am using only one License. But just to clarify: With the last Upgrade I paid only 61,00 € for 3 Licenses and now I pay 75 € for one ... and I have no use for EO2. That's why I see it like you: If the Upgrade is not big enough, VEP will be my "eternal Logic 5" and there will be no reason to upgrade in the future.

Originally Posted by: fatis12_24918 Go to Quoted Post

 Very simple, isn't it? :)

I find it more simple to imagine that Paul is Moses 2.0 ...

Posted on Tue, Mar 05 2019 11:51
by musicman691
Joined on Sun, Nov 18 2012, Posts 136

Originally Posted by: fatis12_24918 Go to Quoted Post

To be very honest I'm a bit surprised by the large discussion about licenses: actually if you own VEP 6, you may update 1 licence + EO2.0 for 75€ and if you need to update all the 3 VEP 6 licenses you just buy 2 more single licence update at 45€ each. What's wrong?

snippage here

Very simple, isn't it? :)

To be very honest I'm surprised there are some people who see this as a good thing - losing licenses with the upgrade. Sure you can only upgrade 1 license but then remember that VEPro 6 and 7 won't communicate with each other. And we have no sure knowledge one way or the other whether VEPRo 6 and 7 can even exist on the same system. That's what's wrong.

Very simple, isn't it?

Jack
PT 2019.6 and DP 9.52 on OSX 10.13.6
Qapla!
Posted on Tue, Mar 05 2019 12:01
by fatis12_24918
Joined on Sat, Dec 16 2006, Posts 269

Originally Posted by: musicman691 Go to Quoted Post

To be very honest I'm surprised there are some people who see this as a good thing - losing licenses with the upgrade. Sure you can only upgrade 1 license but then remember that VEPro 6 and 7 won't communicate with each other. And we have no sure knowledge one way or the other whether VEPRo 6 and 7 can even exist on the same system. That's what's wrong.

Very simple, isn't it?

Well, sorry to insist, but nothing is wrong in my very humble and very personal opinion:

what you can say is that it's too expensive, then you don't buy it and full stop.

You may also say that you don't know enough, then you just wait to know more and/or try, then you buy later or never.

It's totally simple my friend: It's your choice.

Posted on Tue, Mar 05 2019 12:22
by musicman691
Joined on Sun, Nov 18 2012, Posts 136

Originally Posted by: fatis12_24918 Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: musicman691 Go to Quoted Post

To be very honest I'm surprised there are some people who see this as a good thing - losing licenses with the upgrade. Sure you can only upgrade 1 license but then remember that VEPro 6 and 7 won't communicate with each other. And we have no sure knowledge one way or the other whether VEPRo 6 and 7 can even exist on the same system. That's what's wrong.

Very simple, isn't it?

Well, sorry to insist, but nothing is wrong in my very humble and very personal opinion:

what you can say is that it's too expensive, then you don't buy it and full stop.

You may also say that you don't know enough, then you just wait to know more and/or try, then you buy later or never.

It's totally simple my friend: It's your choice.

Reading comprehension seems to be a problem for you. I never said the ugrade was too expensive. The prices is what it is. It's the way it's being handled is the issue. We're losing licenses with this upgrade - can't you see that? What other developer does this? Not one that I can think of.

 

You may think there's nothing wrong but quite sadly you are mistaken. Maybe you like being taken advantage of and are a trusting soul. Those two things are alien to me and have been for decades after some harsh learning experiences. It's called being real and not looking at the world through rose-colored glasses.

Jack
PT 2019.6 and DP 9.52 on OSX 10.13.6
Qapla!
Posted on Tue, Mar 05 2019 14:04
by EgM
Joined on Mon, Apr 20 2015, NB, Canada, Posts 23

What some of you fail to understand is that the new upgrade price (Main upg + 2 x licenses) is not the core of the issue, it's only one part of the issue.

The more serious issue is that down the road, we will be forced to upgrade.  That is mostly because of forced yearly MacOS updates by Apple that breaks compatibility, though less of a problem under Windows but no one knows if or when it will happen.

So the "what's the problem, keep using VEP6" statement is fine, but only *for now*.  There is also the fact that if this pricing scheme remains the same, every version of VEP will cost double to upgrade compared to what we signed up on initially.


Eric E. Hache
Music Composer @ http://www.gamemusic.ca
Posted on Tue, Mar 05 2019 14:26
by littlewierdo
Joined on Sun, Apr 24 2016, Posts 234

Originally Posted by: EgM Go to Quoted Post

What some of you fail to understand is that the new upgrade price (Main upg + 2 x licenses) is not the core of the issue, it's only one part of the issue.

The more serious issue is that down the road, we will be forced to upgrade.  That is mostly because of forced yearly MacOS updates by Apple that breaks compatibility, though less of a problem under Windows but no one knows if or when it will happen.

So the "what's the problem, keep using VEP6" statement is fine, but only *for now*.  There is also the fact that if this pricing scheme remains the same, every version of VEP will cost double to upgrade compared to what we signed up on initially.

Valid, but isnt this an issue with any software with paid software upgrades?

Posted on Tue, Mar 05 2019 14:40
by Carl
Joined on Fri, Jan 07 2005, USA, Posts 111

Originally Posted by: littlewierdo Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: EgM Go to Quoted Post

What some of you fail to understand is that the new upgrade price (Main upg + 2 x licenses) is not the core of the issue, it's only one part of the issue.

The more serious issue is that down the road, we will be forced to upgrade.  That is mostly because of forced yearly MacOS updates by Apple that breaks compatibility, though less of a problem under Windows but no one knows if or when it will happen.

So the "what's the problem, keep using VEP6" statement is fine, but only *for now*.  There is also the fact that if this pricing scheme remains the same, every version of VEP will cost double to upgrade compared to what we signed up on initially.

Valid, but isnt this an issue with any software with paid software upgrades?

No

Posted on Tue, Mar 05 2019 15:18
by EgM
Joined on Mon, Apr 20 2015, NB, Canada, Posts 23

Originally Posted by: littlewierdo Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: EgM Go to Quoted Post

What some of you fail to understand is that the new upgrade price (Main upg + 2 x licenses) is not the core of the issue, it's only one part of the issue.

The more serious issue is that down the road, we will be forced to upgrade.  That is mostly because of forced yearly MacOS updates by Apple that breaks compatibility, though less of a problem under Windows but no one knows if or when it will happen.

So the "what's the problem, keep using VEP6" statement is fine, but only *for now*.  There is also the fact that if this pricing scheme remains the same, every version of VEP will cost double to upgrade compared to what we signed up on initially.

Valid, but isnt this an issue with any software with paid software upgrades?

I've never had software with multi licenses or activations removed by upgrading to a new version, no.


Eric E. Hache
Music Composer @ http://www.gamemusic.ca
Posted on Tue, Mar 05 2019 16:54
by fatis12_24918
Joined on Sat, Dec 16 2006, Posts 269

Originally Posted by: musicman691 Go to Quoted Post

Reading comprehension seems to be a problem for you. I never said the ugrade was too expensive. The prices is what it is. It's the way it's being handled is the issue. We're losing licenses with this upgrade - can't you see that? What other developer does this? Not one that I can think of.

 

You may think there's nothing wrong but quite sadly you are mistaken. Maybe you like being taken advantage of and are a trusting soul. Those two things are alien to me and have been for decades after some harsh learning experiences. It's called being real and not looking at the world through rose-colored glasses.

LOL

With or without you insulting me, still there is something to buy, and a clear price for it.

Still your choice to buy or not, and when. 

Peace and love. 

Posted on Tue, Mar 05 2019 17:45
by Remoteguy
Joined on Sat, Feb 23 2019, Posts 14

Originally Posted by: littlewierdo Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: EgM Go to Quoted Post

What some of you fail to understand is that the new upgrade price (Main upg + 2 x licenses) is not the core of the issue, it's only one part of the issue.

The more serious issue is that down the road, we will be forced to upgrade.  That is mostly because of forced yearly MacOS updates by Apple that breaks compatibility, though less of a problem under Windows but no one knows if or when it will happen.

So the "what's the problem, keep using VEP6" statement is fine, but only *for now*.  There is also the fact that if this pricing scheme remains the same, every version of VEP will cost double to upgrade compared to what we signed up on initially.

Valid, but isnt this an issue with any software with paid software upgrades?

 

Forced yearly updates from Apple? Nonsense.... Apple doesn't force anyone to update. And you are not paying double to upgrade from what you signed up on intitially.  Show me where you would be paying double what you paid.. Misinformation is not a good thing....

Posted on Tue, Mar 05 2019 17:59
by Carl
Joined on Fri, Jan 07 2005, USA, Posts 111

There will be quite some new features available with VE Pro 7, and what we can tell you already is that

  • you will find some very useful FX, based on Vienna Suite Pro, included with VE Pro 7
  • you can purchase separate licenses of VE Pro 7 (by popular request)
  • introductory upgrade prices for VE Pro 7 are pretty attractive ;-) 

We’re looking forward to revealing more features in the next days, with dedicated videos.

A few days are over, so any idea when? a week, a month?

Posted on Tue, Mar 05 2019 18:34
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 516
@Remoteguy

I hate to repeat myself. But above I already wrote ...

With the last Upgrade I paid only 61,00 € for 3 Licenses and now I pay 75 € for one ...

Do I miss something?
Posted on Tue, Mar 05 2019 19:03
by Remoteguy
Joined on Sat, Feb 23 2019, Posts 14

Originally Posted by: LAJ Go to Quoted Post
@Remoteguy I hate to repeat myself. But above I already wrote ... With the last Upgrade I paid only 61,00 € for 3 Licenses and now I pay 75 € for one ... Do I miss something?

 

61 Euros? Wow you must have had some kind of magic price because the introductory upgrade price for VEPro 6 was €85 and after the introductory price  it went up to €105. The list price for VEpro 6 was €285.... Maybe you are referring to VEpro version 4 from 2007????? Again I love all this misinformation. The price has actually gone down. And I am willing to bet that only about %35 of you use more than one license. Please stop the crying. Buy it or don't. If you are power users that have multiple machines linked then I hardly think you would be making so much trouble over the upgrade price. So yes people the actual price of upgrading has gone down, although it is with less licenses. Please stick to facts. 

Posted on Tue, Mar 05 2019 19:26
by Anando
Joined on Thu, Mar 06 2014, Berlin, Posts 5

Originally Posted by: Remoteguy Go to Quoted Post
Buy it or don't.

Yep, I didn't. I don't buy into uncertainty. It was a great entry offer for people not having Vienna Ensemble at all, though.

Posted on Tue, Mar 05 2019 19:31
by Remoteguy
Joined on Sat, Feb 23 2019, Posts 14

Originally Posted by: Anando Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Remoteguy Go to Quoted Post
Buy it or don't.

Yep, I didn't. I don't buy into uncertainty. It was a great entry offer for people not having Vienna Ensemble at all, though.

 

If you don't buy into uncertainty then wait until the details are announced. I believe Paul said the introductory price will stay after the features are announced. Not sure what the problem is....

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