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Posted on Tue, Apr 02 2019 18:57
by fatis12_24918
Joined on Sat, Dec 16 2006, Posts 292

Originally Posted by: musicman691 Go to Quoted Post

Simple question I'm not sure if it got asked yet: when will we know VEPro 7 is released? Email notification from Vienna? I ask because if it's the latter sometimes emails from VSL end up in my isp's Spam folder.

The product note says the cusotmers owning the license will receive personal notification via email, and the announcement will be into the newsletter (to the mailing list of customers enabling newsletter in the account preferences). When a newsletter is delivered, it is also available in the "News" section of the website.

It's hard it won't be noticed in my opinion. :)

P.S. One time by the way, I found by chance a product available in my "MyVSL" page just before announcement, because of course they upload it first, and then they distribute the notice.

Posted on Wed, Apr 03 2019 19:52
by littlewierdo
Joined on Sun, Apr 24 2016, Posts 237

I am curious what this means for Vienna Suite. I mean, are we going to see a massive price drop on it to keep it in line with what Ensemble Pro costs? It appears that Vienna Suite and Vienna Suite Pro are going to be the same as what is coming with Ensemble Pro now...

Posted on Wed, Apr 03 2019 20:01
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 524
It can only mean the end of the product. There are some more plugins but the important plug ins are all integrated in VE Pro7.
Posted on Wed, Apr 03 2019 20:06
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Park City, Utah, Posts 630

Its reasonable to assume that that plugins included with VEP7 will be hardwired into VEP7 and will not be available for use directly in your DAW.  While Vienna Suite would work in your DAW.  And I think at least in the Pro version of vienna suite there are a few more plugins that are not really that interesting to most people.  Practically speaking probably most people that would consider buying vienna suite are already owning VEP7 and probably won't need vienna suite anymore as a standalone product.  The new plugins built into VEP7 look to have been updated a bit, at least in terms of colors and nice user experience, not sure if they actually do anything that vienna suite can't do.

The main value of vienna suite or what's included with VEP7 will be the EQ and compression presets, especially if you're using VSL instruments...

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Posted on Thu, Apr 04 2019 17:39
by musicman691
Joined on Sun, Nov 18 2012, Posts 138

Okay - we all know that VEPro 6 and 7 can't communicate with each other - that much has been mentioned by Paul. But what about templates constructed in VEPro 6 - can those same templates be used in VEPro 7? I imagine they'd have to be copied over to another folder.

Jack
PT 2019.6 and DP 9.52 on OSX 10.13.6
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Posted on Fri, Apr 05 2019 00:40
by littlewierdo
Joined on Sun, Apr 24 2016, Posts 237

Originally Posted by: musicman691 Go to Quoted Post

Okay - we all know that VEPro 6 and 7 can't communicate with each other - that much has been mentioned by Paul. But what about templates constructed in VEPro 6 - can those same templates be used in VEPro 7? I imagine they'd have to be copied over to another folder.

I imagine so, but once you go forward with a template, you cant go back. IE. loading a version 6 template in version 7 will automagically convert it to version 7 and the act of saving the project will make it no longer compatible with 6. Thats how most of this stuff works.

By the way, as a side note, its interesting how the tone has completely changed... As I said, wait and see if Vienna delivers. It sounds like they did from what I am hearing. For me, contrary to the opnions of everyone else here, I like the idea of Vienna Suite being integrated into Ensemble. The rest of the feature set is meh for me.

Posted on Fri, Apr 05 2019 01:31
by musicman691
Joined on Sun, Nov 18 2012, Posts 138

Originally Posted by: littlewierdo Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: musicman691 Go to Quoted Post

Okay - we all know that VEPro 6 and 7 can't communicate with each other - that much has been mentioned by Paul. But what about templates constructed in VEPro 6 - can those same templates be used in VEPro 7? I imagine they'd have to be copied over to another folder.

I imagine so, but once you go forward with a template, you cant go back. IE. loading a version 6 template in version 7 will automagically convert it to version 7 and the act of saving the project will make it no longer compatible with 6. Thats how most of this stuff works.

By the way, as a side note, its interesting how the tone has completely changed... As I said, wait and see if Vienna delivers. It sounds like they did from what I am hearing. For me, contrary to the opnions of everyone else here, I like the idea of Vienna Suite being integrated into Ensemble. The rest of the feature set is meh for me.

For your first statement that's a heck of an assertion because you're assuming VEPro 7 will open stuff done in VEPro 6. Just because others/w has done that in the past it may not happen here. Would be great if it does.

As to your seond statement Vienna hasn't delivered anything except for a few more specifices of what's in the new version. I'll consider that they've delivered something when I actually have the new version on my computer and working.

Jack
PT 2019.6 and DP 9.52 on OSX 10.13.6
Qapla!
Posted on Fri, Apr 05 2019 02:14
by littlewierdo
Joined on Sun, Apr 24 2016, Posts 237

Originally Posted by: musicman691 Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: littlewierdo Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: musicman691 Go to Quoted Post

Okay - we all know that VEPro 6 and 7 can't communicate with each other - that much has been mentioned by Paul. But what about templates constructed in VEPro 6 - can those same templates be used in VEPro 7? I imagine they'd have to be copied over to another folder.

I imagine so, but once you go forward with a template, you cant go back. IE. loading a version 6 template in version 7 will automagically convert it to version 7 and the act of saving the project will make it no longer compatible with 6. Thats how most of this stuff works.

By the way, as a side note, its interesting how the tone has completely changed... As I said, wait and see if Vienna delivers. It sounds like they did from what I am hearing. For me, contrary to the opnions of everyone else here, I like the idea of Vienna Suite being integrated into Ensemble. The rest of the feature set is meh for me.

For your first statement that's a heck of an assertion because you're assuming VEPro 7 will open stuff done in VEPro 6. Just because others/w has done that in the past it may not happen here. Would be great if it does.

As to your seond statement Vienna hasn't delivered anything except for a few more specifices of what's in the new version. I'll consider that they've delivered something when I actually have the new version on my computer and working.

Umm, ok. The track record for most companies releasing a new software version of a product designed for creating something is on my side here. Rendering all previous work unable to be opened in the new version would be virtually unprecedented. Point me to a software product that has made all projects previously created in it unable to be opened in new versions without some ability to convert or upgrade the project. You might find one or two, but not much more than that.

As to your second comment, and I quote, "I did the pre-order thing and am downloading the Synchron library now...Paid through Paypal if that makes any difference." Apparently, they already sold you on it, as evidenced by this, "Let me be the first to say a big THANK YOU for this announcement. It's what a lot of us have been looking and asking for. And it's what's making me pull the trigger on getting the upgrade - especially the compatibility with OSX 10.10! While my major work is done in OSX 10.12.6 I still keep a boot partition with OSX 10.10.5 because I have some 32 bit plugins that for whatever reason don't play well in a 32 bit server running in OSX 10.12.6. It's not a big enough issue to raise a support ticket with (FYI the major one is NI's B4II Hammond organ vi). You have made me a very happy person this dreary day here." That is a much different tone than you and others had before, enough for you to purchase the pre-order.

Now Im off to work on designing a prototype mechanical lizard.

Posted on Fri, Apr 05 2019 07:15
by noiseboyuk
Joined on Tue, Nov 17 2009, Posts 83

Originally Posted by: musicman691 Go to Quoted Post
For your first statement that's a heck of an assertion because you're assuming VEPro 7 will open stuff done in VEPro 6. Just because others/w has done that in the past it may not happen here. Would be great if it does.

I would be staggered if it couldn't open VE Pro 6 projects.  I'd put the chances of that at somewhere around 0.1%.

Win 7 Pro 64 bit, i7 4930, RME Babyface, 64gb RAM, Cubase Pro 8, PT12 HD, VE Pro 5
Posted on Sat, Apr 06 2019 19:04
by TimBlast
Joined on Wed, Jun 17 2015, Los Angeles, Posts 42

Originally Posted by: Dewdman42 Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: TimBlast Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: musicman691 Go to Quoted Post

You say your loading time for that template is 35 to 40 minutes - please tell us you're not loading from a spinner drive but an ssd. Or multiple ssd's. If you're on a Mac Pro cheesegrater putting those ssd's in a pcie card adapter will double the loading speed from if they're in the drive bays.

Oh yes multiple ssds of course, and on a PC with double xeon.... Just lots of instruments i guess, and it loads up into about 240gb of ram . I know a couple of fellow composers who have the same "problem", so its normal for a template that size

 

Huge template then.  How many instruments?  If you have thousands, then it is what it is.  This is another area where if VEP update made a substantial improvement for project load times, through parallelism or something...it would be instant buy for me. 

 

I have about 1750 instruments/articulations loaded in that template, and yes the ssds are all inside my server pc, I have the kontakt instrument preload buffer size set up to 60 kb. If I go lower than that my cpu starts overloading and i get voice dropouts... adn plus i got 256gb of ram on my server so might as well use it all :)

 

Also thanks for the update on features. I am excited to see the load times are getting improved. 

Tim Blast
Film | TV | GAME | TRAILER MUSIC Composer / Producer
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Cubase 10 PRO, MASTER PC : i9-9980XE, 64gb. Slave with VE PRO: double xeon with 256 GB RAM
Posted on Sat, Apr 06 2019 21:59
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2676

Originally Posted by: TimBlast Go to Quoted Post

I have about 1750 instruments/articulations loaded in that template, and yes the ssds are all inside my server pc, I have the kontakt instrument preload buffer size set up to 60 kb. If I go lower than that my cpu starts overloading and i get voice dropouts... adn plus i got 256gb of ram on my server so might as well use it all :)

 

Also thanks for the update on features. I am excited to see the load times are getting improved. 

You will reduce your problems in doing articulation switching

MacBook Pro 2019 16" + 2 x Odisseey G9 49" Big Sur
MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
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VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 2, Art Conductor 5, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

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Posted on Sun, Apr 07 2019 16:38
by WALTER DELLINGER
Joined on Thu, Nov 16 2017, Posts 23
Question;
Does VSL Pro 7 replace Pro 6 as an update. If not, can we still use Pro 6 and Pro 7 together along with the old Epic Orchestra?
If Pro 7 replaces Pro 6, what happens to the other two license I have with Pro 6?
Posted on Sun, Apr 07 2019 19:53
by musicman691
Joined on Sun, Nov 18 2012, Posts 138

Originally Posted by: WALTER DELLINGER Go to Quoted Post
Question;
Does VSL Pro 7 replace Pro 6 as an update. If not, can we still use Pro 6 and Pro 7 together along with the old Epic Orchestra?
If Pro 7 replaces Pro 6, what happens to the other two license I have with Pro 6?
You mean VEPro right? There is no such product as VSL Pro. But anyways from something I read on this forum in another thread VEPro 6 overwrote VEPro 5 IIRC and if history holds and that bit is true VEPro 7 will overwrite VEPro 6. There may be a way around that at least in OSX if you rename the program to something other than what's installed. That's something that those of us do with Digital Performer if we want to have multiple versions on the same computer at the same time. For instance I have three different versions of DP - 9.02, 9.51 and 9.52

If you've been paying attention to this thread at all or the product page you only get one license with a base purchase of the VEPro 7 upgrade. Doesn't matter how many licenses you have with VEPro 6 or earlier versions. You have to pay extra to get the other two licenses to get to the three you had before.

The new Epic Orchestra does not replace the old one - it's an all new download.

Jack
PT 2019.6 and DP 9.52 on OSX 10.13.6
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Posted on Mon, Apr 08 2019 00:59
by littlewierdo
Joined on Sun, Apr 24 2016, Posts 237

Originally Posted by: WALTER DELLINGER Go to Quoted Post
Question;
Does VSL Pro 7 replace Pro 6 as an update. If not, can we still use Pro 6 and Pro 7 together along with the old Epic Orchestra?
If Pro 7 replaces Pro 6, what happens to the other two license I have with Pro 6?

1. The easiest one to answer, epic orchestra 2 is a completely seperate download that works in Vienna's Synchron player. If can be used side by side with Epic Orchestra 1, although, why youd want or need to do that is beyond me since epic orchestra 2 contains all the patches that 1 has and a hefty amount of additional content. True that the sound design will be different (ie. the coronet in the Epic Orchestra 2 will sound different than the one provided in Epic Orchestra 1), but once mixed, I dont think the difference is all that significant. I guess one thing this gives the ability to do is use EO1 vs EO2 on completely different machines (this is confirmed).

2. VEP7 software wise replaces the install of VEP6, that is, when installing VEP7, it will overwirte your install of VEP6, provided it works the same way the upgrade from VEP5 to VEP6 worked. It isnt a good idea to install VEP7 until you have all the VEP7 licenses you need (this is unconfirmed, but I think highly likely how this will work).

3. VEP6 will NOT communicate with VEP7. If you have VEP6 on one machine and upgrade another machine to VEP7, they will not communicate with each other (this has been confirmed).

4. Upgrade licenses do NOT replace your current licenses. Purchasing a VEP7 upgrade license will merely add a VEP7 license to your key fob, and you will keep your 3 VEP6 licenses (this is confirmed)

Basically, buy all the VEP7 upgrades you need first before you upgrade your physical installs of VEP7. As for Epic Orchestra 2, you can download and install that now and it will have no bearing on Epic Orchestra 1, so you can use that now or whenever you are ready to download and install it.

Posted on Mon, Apr 08 2019 05:02
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2676

Has anybodey tried to use IAC with VEP6 on one computer and VEP7 on another ?

MacBook Pro 2019 16" + 2 x Odisseey G9 49" Big Sur
MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 2, Art Conductor 5, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

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Posted on Mon, Apr 08 2019 05:05
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Park City, Utah, Posts 630

My understanding is that VEP server requires the VEP plugin to communicate with it, it does have direct access the midi ports on the machine where its running.

The non-server standalone version of VEP can listen to midi ports, but also does not communicate with your DAW via the VEP plugin.

If you want to figure out another way to get the audio from VEP back to your DAW instead of using the VEP plugin, then you could theoretically run the non-server verison of both VEP6 and VEP7 on two different machines, but that is missing a lot of the VEP-advantage IMHO.

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Posted on Mon, Apr 08 2019 10:52
by musicman691
Joined on Sun, Nov 18 2012, Posts 138

Originally Posted by: Cyril Blanc Go to Quoted Post

Has anybodey tried to use IAC with VEP6 on one computer and VEP7 on another ?

Offhand I'd say no one consdering VEPro 7 hasn't been released yet (it's not in my account yet for d/l).

Jack
PT 2019.6 and DP 9.52 on OSX 10.13.6
Qapla!
Posted on Mon, Apr 08 2019 14:00
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2676

Originally Posted by: musicman691 Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Cyril Blanc Go to Quoted Post

Has anybodey tried to use IAC with VEP6 on one computer and VEP7 on another ?

Offhand I'd say no one consdering VEPro 7 hasn't been released yet (it's not in my account yet for d/l).

May the Beta tester have test it 

MacBook Pro 2019 16" + 2 x Odisseey G9 49" Big Sur
MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 2, Art Conductor 5, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Mon, Apr 08 2019 15:59
by musicman691
Joined on Sun, Nov 18 2012, Posts 138

Originally Posted by: Cyril Blanc Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: musicman691 Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Cyril Blanc Go to Quoted Post

Has anybodey tried to use IAC with VEP6 on one computer and VEP7 on another ?

Offhand I'd say no one consdering VEPro 7 hasn't been released yet (it's not in my account yet for d/l).

May the Beta tester have test it 

If they did they won't tell us - that comes with the territory of being a beta tester - it's called an NDA.

Keep in mind the old saw: those that know won't talk and those that talk don't know.

If I had to speculate I'd say it wouldn't work as that would circumvent the licensing we're getting in VEPro 7 and Vienna would never allow that. Better to just pony up the extra license fee which I know sucks but that's the only legitimate alternative and stay inside the VEPro ecosystem.

Jack
PT 2019.6 and DP 9.52 on OSX 10.13.6
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Posted on Tue, Apr 09 2019 05:08
by civilization 3
Joined on Sat, May 16 2009, SF Bay Area, Posts 1718

The big attraction for me with VS Pro is the Imager. But with the the other parts kinda sorta part of VEP 7, I'm even less likely to fork out 400 bucks for it.

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