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Last post Wed, May 08 2019 by musicman691, 435 replies.
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Posted on Wed, Apr 10 2019 15:51
by feeserface
Joined on Sat, Dec 29 2007, Los Angeles, Posts 71

I just upgraded with the assumption that licensing was similar to 6 - that is one set of three licenses....incorrect.  Mea Culpa, but I have 3 (x3) VEP6 licenses and its spread out among 7 or 8 machines...that would make a full upgrade really expensive.  

Seeing as how I won't be purchasing 6 or 7 more licenses for my remote machines, I'd like to know whether or not VEP7 will work with VEP6.  That way I can put 7 on my main processing machine and use 6 in the remote machines for simpler tasks.

Thanks.

Talking about music is like dancing about architecture.
-- Steve Martin
Posted on Wed, Apr 10 2019 16:39
by musicman691
Joined on Sun, Nov 18 2012, NJ USA, Posts 131

Originally Posted by: feeserface Go to Quoted Post

I just upgraded with the assumption that licensing was similar to 6 - that is one set of three licenses....incorrect.  Mea Culpa, but I have 3 (x3) VEP6 licenses and its spread out among 7 or 8 machines...that would make a full upgrade really expensive.  

Seeing as how I won't be purchasing 6 or 7 more licenses for my remote machines, I'd like to know whether or not VEP7 will work with VEP6.  That way I can put 7 on my main processing machine and use 6 in the remote machines for simpler tasks.

Thanks.

You should have paid closer attention to the product page. If you only had 3 licenses with your VEPro 6 setup you only need to buy 2 more licenses for VEPro 7 to get you where you were with VEPro 6.

It's been mentioned multiple times in this thread that VEPro 6 and 7 cannot communicate with each other.

Jack
PT 2019.6 on OSX 10.13.6
PT 11.3.2 on OSX 10.10.5
DP9.02 on OSX 10.13.6
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Posted on Wed, Apr 10 2019 18:12
by feeserface
Joined on Sat, Dec 29 2007, Los Angeles, Posts 71

That's fair, I SHOULD have.  I admitted as much. I'm just trying to figure out how to use the new software without having to pay an arm and a leg more.

So, moving on.

If the two can't communicate, that would still work if I could run both 6 and 7 as plugins inside Cubase.  I can have a 7 server on my local computer and have the other servers on remote boxes be 6.  As long as I can run both 6 and 7 as plugins within cubase (or any other daw for that matter) simultaneously, I should be ok, otherwise, I'm out 90bucks for something that I can't use without spending a boat load more.

So I guess the next question would be whether I can run two instances of the VEP vsti plug in with two different versions from within the same DAW - I'd imagine as long as the Daw sees them as two distinct VSTi it shouldn't be a problem.  That's how I can run Kontakt 5 and 6 simultaneously.  

Talking about music is like dancing about architecture.
-- Steve Martin
Posted on Wed, Apr 10 2019 18:50
by musicman691
Joined on Sun, Nov 18 2012, NJ USA, Posts 131

Originally Posted by: feeserface Go to Quoted Post

That's fair, I SHOULD have.  I admitted as much. I'm just trying to figure out how to use the new software without having to pay an arm and a leg more.

So, moving on.

If the two can't communicate, that would still work if I could run both 6 and 7 as plugins inside Cubase.  I can have a 7 server on my local computer and have the other servers on remote boxes be 6.  As long as I can run both 6 and 7 as plugins within cubase (or any other daw for that matter) simultaneously, I should be ok, otherwise, I'm out 90bucks for something that I can't use without spending a boat load more.

So I guess the next question would be whether I can run two instances of the VEP vsti plug in with two different versions from within the same DAW - I'd imagine as long as the Daw sees them as two distinct VSTi it shouldn't be a problem.  That's how I can run Kontakt 5 and 6 simultaneously.  

Can't be done. Period. Besides installing VEPro 7, if history holds, overwrites any existing installation of VEPro. So you'll only have VEPro 7.

Jack
PT 2019.6 on OSX 10.13.6
PT 11.3.2 on OSX 10.10.5
DP9.02 on OSX 10.13.6
Qapla!
Posted on Thu, Apr 11 2019 03:14
by littlewierdo
Joined on Sun, Apr 24 2016, Posts 213

Originally Posted by: feeserface Go to Quoted Post

That's fair, I SHOULD have.  I admitted as much. I'm just trying to figure out how to use the new software without having to pay an arm and a leg more.

So, moving on.

If the two can't communicate, that would still work if I could run both 6 and 7 as plugins inside Cubase.  I can have a 7 server on my local computer and have the other servers on remote boxes be 6.  As long as I can run both 6 and 7 as plugins within cubase (or any other daw for that matter) simultaneously, I should be ok, otherwise, I'm out 90bucks for something that I can't use without spending a boat load more.

So I guess the next question would be whether I can run two instances of the VEP vsti plug in with two different versions from within the same DAW - I'd imagine as long as the Daw sees them as two distinct VSTi it shouldn't be a problem.  That's how I can run Kontakt 5 and 6 simultaneously.  

6 & 7 cannot be installed together on the same machine easily. There might be a clever workaround, but the install overwites any previous installations, provided it works the same way it has in the past.

My suggestion is to wait until you have upgraded all your licenses before installing 7, at least the future licenses are signifcantly less expensive than the first, so a little at a time. I agree, for the people running more than 3 licenses, this is not ideal, but I suspect that very few people are running more than 3 licenses.

Posted on Thu, Apr 11 2019 03:25
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Posts 361

It MIGHT be possible to run VEP inside a subhosting plugin like PlogueBidule where you can specify an alternative VST path or manually load a VST plugin that is not in the normal VST path.  Then VEP7 plugin normally in the DAW, all on machine A.  VEP6  server on machine B, VEP 7 server on machine C.  But that is probably not the whole story, depends on what kind of internal interapplication and network communications and systems that VEP uses whether a VEP plugin isolated inside PlogueBidule would be completely seperated from a VEP plugin out in the DAW.  Its worth a try, but I would not count on it until someone actually tries it.

Its definitely possible to run VEP Inside PlogueBidule, but what I'm not sure about is whether that one would be totally and completely isolated from VEP7plugin outside PlogueBidule.

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Posted on Thu, Apr 11 2019 10:43
by musicman691
Joined on Sun, Nov 18 2012, NJ USA, Posts 131

Originally Posted by: littlewierdo Go to Quoted Post

6 & 7 cannot be installed together on the same machine easily. There might be a clever workaround, but the install overwites any previous installations, provided it works the same way it has in the past.

My suggestion is to wait until you have upgraded all your licenses before installing 7, at least the future licenses are signifcantly less expensive than the first, so a little at a time. I agree, for the people running more than 3 licenses, this is not ideal, but I suspect that very few people are running more than 3 licenses.

As to having two versions of VEPro on the same machine I wonder if the following workaround would work (at least on a Mac):

Rename the existing installation of VEPro to something else

Install the new version with no alterations to the name

There's a bunch of people that have done that in order to have multiple versions of Digital Performer installed at the same time. For instance I have DP9.02, DP9.51 and DP9.52r2 all at once. The reason this works at least for DP and a Mac is that the installer looks at the name of the program which in this case the usually installed name is Digital Performer with no distinction as to revision. So once that name is changed the installer doesn't see it to overwrite it. It even works for whole number versions; in addition to the three DP9 versions I also have DP8.03. BVeing the licenses for each VEPro edition are different it might work.

Jack
PT 2019.6 on OSX 10.13.6
PT 11.3.2 on OSX 10.10.5
DP9.02 on OSX 10.13.6
Qapla!
Posted on Thu, Apr 11 2019 13:12
by bbelius
Joined on Sat, Mar 14 2015, Posts 543
No, it still wouldn't work because the used communication port numbers are the same. You must convince VEP 6 to use differend ports then the newer/ older version if this should work. And who knows which problems you'd also encounter. But if you find a solution that works, let me know ;)
Ben
Technical Support - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Apr 11 2019 15:36
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Posts 361
Originally Posted by: bbelius Go to Quoted Post
No, it still wouldn't work because the used communication port numbers are the same. You must convince VEP 6 to use differend ports then the newer/ older version if this should work. And who knows which problems you'd also encounter. But if you find a solution that works, let me know ;)


Very good point.
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Posted on Fri, Apr 19 2019 17:13
by musicman691
Joined on Sun, Nov 18 2012, NJ USA, Posts 131

Paul: Any further news on the release of VEPro 7?

Jack
PT 2019.6 on OSX 10.13.6
PT 11.3.2 on OSX 10.10.5
DP9.02 on OSX 10.13.6
Qapla!
Posted on Mon, Apr 22 2019 12:38
by Adia
Joined on Sat, Feb 06 2016, Posts 113

Hello, please are there any news if we can use the new VEP 7 with Komplete 12 to be able to host our instruments on an outside computer. Will it be compatible the way that we do not need to do remappings? Thank you!

Posted on Tue, Apr 23 2019 07:25
by Dominique
Joined on Fri, Aug 08 2008, Posts 176

Are there any news concerning a release date? The pre-order is running for a good solid two months now, and it feels like it is starting to stretch patience a little. Would be nice if VSL could go back to their old ways, which was announcing a product when it was ready, not when they thought it would be ready in a week or so but then miss that date by several months.

Posted on Tue, Apr 23 2019 10:35
by musicman691
Joined on Sun, Nov 18 2012, NJ USA, Posts 131

Originally Posted by: Dominique Go to Quoted Post

Are there any news concerning a release date? The pre-order is running for a good solid two months now, and it feels like it is starting to stretch patience a little. Would be nice if VSL could go back to their old ways, which was announcing a product when it was ready, not when they thought it would be ready in a week or so but then miss that date by several months.

To be fair there is no date for VSL to miss as a solid release date was never given. All Paul said was that VEPro 7 was in beta test and gave us some of the features. Agreed the pre-order has been going on for way too long but then again I'd rather VSL get it right on release and not what MOTU did with the release of Digital Performer 10.

An update from Paul would be nice.

Jack
PT 2019.6 on OSX 10.13.6
PT 11.3.2 on OSX 10.10.5
DP9.02 on OSX 10.13.6
Qapla!
Posted on Tue, Apr 23 2019 16:07
by Dominique
Joined on Fri, Aug 08 2008, Posts 176

Originally Posted by: musicman691 Go to Quoted Post

To be fair there is no date for VSL to miss as a solid release date was never given. All Paul said was that VEPro 7 was in beta test and gave us some of the features. Agreed the pre-order has been going on for way too long but then again I'd rather VSL get it right on release and not what MOTU did with the release of Digital Performer 10.

An update from Paul would be nice.



True. And you can't please everybody. Still, for Synchron Strings and VE Pro 7 there is a long time between announcement and release - rather too long for my taste. Reading the title of this thread, started on February 18: "SOON: VE Pro 7", yes I agree that an update from VSL regarding the progress would be nice.

Posted on Tue, Apr 23 2019 19:33
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 11350

Hello everybody, 

Here's an update: Looking good, we're in the final stages of beta-testing and I'm expecting a release in the first days of May (as soon as possible, and assuming there are no unexpected roadblocks). 

Thanks for your patience!

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Tue, Apr 23 2019 22:19
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Posts 361

cool 

5,1 MacPro 12core X 3.46ghz, 128gb ram, RX580 video, OSX Mojave, VSL (almost everything), LogicPro, Cubase10, StudioOne, DP9, Reaper, Dorico, Finale, MuseScore, Notion6, EW Hollywood Orch, Kirk Hunter, GPO, much more..
Posted on Wed, Apr 24 2019 07:44
by Rasound
Joined on Mon, Dec 05 2016, Posts 15

Great!!!

Posted on Wed, Apr 24 2019 07:47
by Dominique
Joined on Fri, Aug 08 2008, Posts 176

Thank you for the update Paul.

Posted on Wed, Apr 24 2019 08:00
by noiseboyuk
Joined on Tue, Nov 17 2009, Posts 83

Thanks Paul - can you tell us if the early promo price will cease on release?

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Posted on Wed, Apr 24 2019 08:33
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 11350

Hi, 

We are also excited. The introductory price will stay for a little more time after release. 

Best,
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
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