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Dorico 3 and VSL
Last post Fri, Sep 13 2019 by PaoloT, 18 replies.
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Posted on Thu, Sep 05 2019 13:41
by GilP
Joined on Thu, Aug 31 2017, Posts 39

Hello!

As Dorico 3 is out today (https://new.steinberg.net/dorico/new-in-3/https://www.scoringnotes.com/reviews/dorico-3-changes-the-score/), and as it is integrating an Expression Map editor, I was wondering if there are any plan to make VSL be compatible with it?

Best regards,

Gil.

Tags: Dorico 3
Posted on Thu, Sep 05 2019 15:55
by HeiPet
Joined on Wed, Mar 24 2010, Posts 25

I hope for VSL Expression Maps for Dorico 3! Are all of your missing playback features are added now?

Yours,
Heiko

Posted on Thu, Sep 05 2019 16:24
by douscinco
Joined on Fri, Sep 05 2014, Posts 7

Also it includes mutually exclusive playing techniques, which I think was one of the drawbacks.

Posted on Thu, Sep 05 2019 16:54
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3089

Hello!

Most of our wishes for the Dorico Expression Maps technology are fulfilled with Dorico 3. Our to do list at the moment is pretty long though. So please don't expect Dorico Expression Maps for our libraries in the next weeks.

Best regards,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Sep 06 2019 02:46
by Steve Martin
Joined on Sat, Sep 17 2005, Queensland, Australia, Posts 507

Hi Andy,

thanks for letting us know. Even if it takes time, I know they will be worth waiting for. The sound engine in Dorico is so crystal clear, I know vsl will sound great. It will be also like using a sequencer as we will have access to controllers that can be manipulated via the mouse - well, I hope that will be the case, as apparently you can do this with Dorico 2.

All the best with the work you'll pursue on this Andy. I know you'll do a great job!

 

Steve

Posted on Mon, Sep 09 2019 18:13
by EricNJ
Joined on Tue, Aug 25 2015, Posts 21

I switched to Dorico several years ago and had to abandon using VSL - so I'm adding my voice to those who have requested VSL - Dorico integration.  I know this cannot be turned around on a dime (that's an American expression) but I hope to see this soon.  Thanks!

Posted on Tue, Sep 10 2019 08:46
by AntoineM
Joined on Sun, Jan 27 2013, Posts 5

The same for me, it would be wonderful!

By the way, Andi, you are doing a fantastic job with Sibelius' soundsets, I am very grateful for that 

Posted on Tue, Sep 10 2019 14:34
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 445

Count me among those interested. Even only a first release containing the SE Vol.1/+ would be excellent to start working with Dorico.

Paolo

Posted on Tue, Sep 10 2019 16:34
by joalter
Joined on Fri, Sep 16 2005, Posts 5

+1 

Posted on Tue, Sep 10 2019 23:01
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2628

+1 

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
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Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
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Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
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Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra, Art Conductor 5, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

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Camera full HD
Posted on Thu, Sep 12 2019 08:32
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 11305

Hi, 

As we are swamped with work right now: Who is up for contributing to the community?

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Sep 12 2019 08:53
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2628

I have propose  before but you refused

I have 3 weeks free where I can help, what do I gain ?

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd
VSL lib on a Raid 0 of 4 x 256 GB ssd Sata III - Raid 0 of 4 x 64 GB for other libs
System on a 1 TB ssd
Audio Motu PCI system 84 ins / 64 outs
Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
---
Macbook pro Retina 2.7 ghz 16 GB
---
Mac Mini server 10.10 (server EyeTV, Itunes, WEB, and Backup )
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Overdrive
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra, Art Conductor 5, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa

Final Cut pro
Camera full HD
Posted on Thu, Sep 12 2019 09:28
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 11305

Hi Cyril, 

You could start with Expression Maps for Special Editon Volume 1 and see how that works (you have the VI Special Edition Volume 1 registered
Your gain is the grattitude of your fellow Dorio users. 

A few words why this is not such a trivial task:
AFAIK, Dorico only covers around 50% of the articulations available with our bigger library products, so you will have to create new articulations in Dorico and assign them to the corresponding articulations in our libraries. 

Consistency and accuracy is key in such an undertaking.

The next challenge is that a dedicated Installer (like for Sibelius) has to be created, that places the correct files in the correct locations (manual installation is very tricky, unfortunately). 

We don't have ANY resources to support this process right now, so my suggestion would be to start small and work your way up from Special Editon Volume 1 (which doesn't need many additional articulations added). 

The alternative is to wait until Andreas has the time to provide you with the high standard flawless expression maps you are used to. 

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Sep 12 2019 15:23
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 445

Paul, while editing the Expression Maps you supplied for the High Strings, I can see that some articulations are duplicated. I don't see any difference in the two Legato entries just at the beginning of the list.

Is there a reason for these duplicated entries? Can we remove them, ignore them, or should we leave there for some particular reason?

Paolo

Posted on Thu, Sep 12 2019 17:47
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 11305

Hi PaoloT, 

Notation is an area where I am not involved. 

Would you like to be a bit more specific? What exactly doesn't work?

Thanks, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Sep 12 2019 22:06
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 445

Hi Paul,

I'm not sure it is something that is not working. But I would like to understand why it is that way.

In Dorico, I import, for example, the "VSL Strings - Violins, Violas, Celli.expressionmap" file for Cubase.

In the list of techniques, I can see a first "Legato", linked to a C1 keyswitch, and another Legato, linked to the D#1 keyswitch.

The same happens with "Legato+Non Vibrato", "Con vibrato+Legato" and other articulations.

I can't understand the reason why there are multiple occurrencies of some articulations. If they have to be there, what's the particular use of each of them?

Paolo

Posted on Fri, Sep 13 2019 07:28
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3089

Hello Paolo!

The Cubase Expression Map "VSL Strings - Violins, Violas, Celli" contains legato and "non legato" in various combinations with other articulations. Every combination is included one time only. The map isn't 100% compatible with Dorico though.

Best regards,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Sep 13 2019 08:20
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 445

Andi, thank you for your answer. Maybe when importing Cubase maps, Dorico mixes some "standard" techniques with the imported ones. Hence the duplication of some of them.

Paolo

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