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It time for VIENNA SCORE !!!
Last post Mon, Nov 02 2020 by Oceanview, 12 replies.
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Posted on Sat, Apr 18 2020 08:43
by Vasa
Joined on Fri, Feb 19 2010, Posts 20

Dear VSL gentlemen,
latest VSL products sound more realistic and are more affordable. VSL is a great tool not only for composing but also for orchastra studing. Personally I use Vienns SE (1 & 1+) with Notion 6 which is only one which has some articulation commands, but now that I am moving to Synchron the old frustation is coming back.
So isn't it time for develop a new Software thought exactly for VSL packge?
some kind of Vienna Score, where the composer wil have all right articulation according with the Vienna product which he has?
Would not be a good idea?

Using Notion 6 and/or Silbelius is always a long and frustrating procedure of setting and the perfomance is never satisfing.

Lausanne / Switzerland
Posted on Sat, Apr 18 2020 08:57
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 1341

There are already some competent scoring programs. The only missing thing is more integration of VSL with some of them, like expression maps for Dorico. And, I would add, support for basic and missing tools, like tuning and pitch variations, at the basis of the most successful contemporary music at least from Xenakis and Penderecki.

Is there room for another program, in addition to Finale, Sibelius, Dorico, or the smaller Notion and MuseScore or the nerdy LilyPond, all actively developed? Would a Vienna Score program give something more?

Paolo

Posted on Mon, Apr 20 2020 15:50
by Pieman1560
Joined on Mon, May 07 2018, Gloucestershire, UK, Posts 69

I think it would be amazing if VSL developed there own notation program..and i for one would buy it in a heart beat!

I think what they have done with Sibelius is frankly wonderful...but looking at whats happening with software like Staffpad..i cant help think the market for a new system is ripe for the taking really.

Judging how quickly major software companies have developed versions of there software libraries to work on this ipad app.....to me anyway..has been a real eye opener...and hopefully a new era of software developers are pushing the bounderies of whats possible.

If VSL developed a notation system that just works with the sample players...lets you access every articulation that they have recorded for every instrument theve produced...just works with Mir Pro...either the VI stuff of Synchron...WOW....I'm in already!

Vienna Symphonic Scoring.

Please VSL.......PLEASE

Hoping that someday it will happen

With kindest regards

Paul

Posted on Mon, Apr 20 2020 17:07
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 1341

I'm sorry if I insist, but why do we need a new notation program just for using the VSL sounds? We can use any notation program we like. We only need expression maps, or how they are called in the various programs. Where this has be done, integration is already great.

I've made my custom presets and custom articulation sets for Logic, and it works wonderfully. The expression maps I'm building for Dorico seem to work really fine.

I miss other integration parts, but sounds are the easiest part.  

Paolo

Posted on Mon, Apr 20 2020 18:05
by Errikos
Joined on Tue, Jun 12 2007, Posts 1110

This was something I had requested myself, maybe over 10 years ago, when there were two big players on the notation market and integration with such programs was lamentable - I don't think it's really great today either. Not anywhere near the degree it should be. I had made that suggestion with the ultimate dream that through continuous development we eventually we would not need a DAW, tracks and regions and articulation lanes. Everything -or almost everything- would be feasible on the page with as much traditional notation as possible. There'd be nothing better for classically trained composers/orchestrators.

A VSL-specific (or not) notation program (of Sibelius et al calibre) with great VE integration would still be desirable but would not be worth the company's effort and expansion; not when there has emerged a strong third player absorbing the customer base, and certainly not when there are so many more orchestral libraries competing today.

Pity, pity, pity (I feel like a character from an Italian opera now).

If you can't notate/MIDI it yourself, it's NOT your music!

In these modern days to be vulgar, illiterate, common and vicious, seems to give a man a marvelous infinity of rights that his honest fathers never dreamed of. - Oscar Wilde
Posted on Mon, Apr 20 2020 18:18
by Pieman1560
Joined on Mon, May 07 2018, Gloucestershire, UK, Posts 69

I dont want to write music in a daw...then import that into a notation software and sort the score out...what id love is to be able to write music in a notation program that plays back like a daw..one piece of software that does both things really well.

Perhaps if VSL developed there software for Staffpad it would be a huge thing for me..and im sure others too..as inputting notation with a pen on an ipad..and have it play back with hardly any tweeking is a massive advance in software....Spitfire Audio and Orchestral Tools have developed there libraries for it...so perhaps VSL can add to it!

Anyway..stay safe in these crazy times.

With kindest Regards

Paul

Posted on Mon, Apr 20 2020 19:37
by Errikos
Joined on Tue, Jun 12 2007, Posts 1110

We are saying the same thing. I doubt it will ever happen no matter how much I wish it. It took how many years the people in Steinberg to create Dorico after they were fired by Avid, and they were specialists...

I think that someday what we want will be realized and with even truer samples as they get better all the time.

Like I said, I have been waiting for over 10 years. Hopefully it won't be another 10...

If you can't notate/MIDI it yourself, it's NOT your music!

In these modern days to be vulgar, illiterate, common and vicious, seems to give a man a marvelous infinity of rights that his honest fathers never dreamed of. - Oscar Wilde
Posted on Mon, Apr 20 2020 20:23
by Bill
Joined on Fri, Sep 23 2005, Berkshires, MA, Posts 1180

VSL have stated catagorically that they will never do this.

Dorico, Finale, Sibelius, Notion, Overture, Cubase, StaffPad
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Posted on Tue, Apr 21 2020 07:27
by Errikos
Joined on Tue, Jun 12 2007, Posts 1110

Of course. Sorry I forgot to mention that little detail.

If you can't notate/MIDI it yourself, it's NOT your music!

In these modern days to be vulgar, illiterate, common and vicious, seems to give a man a marvelous infinity of rights that his honest fathers never dreamed of. - Oscar Wilde
Posted on Sun, Nov 01 2020 16:36
by leigh
Joined on Tue, Aug 20 2013, Posts 55

I would love to have Vienna libraries available for StaffPad!

Right now it's StaffPad>MusicXML>Dorico+VEPro and I'd love to stay in SP until it's time to format the score and parts.

**Leigh

Originally Posted by: Pieman1560 Go to Quoted Post

I dont want to write music in a daw...then import that into a notation software and sort the score out...what id love is to be able to write music in a notation program that plays back like a daw..one piece of software that does both things really well.

Perhaps if VSL developed there software for Staffpad it would be a huge thing for me..and im sure others too..as inputting notation with a pen on an ipad..and have it play back with hardly any tweeking is a massive advance in software....Spitfire Audio and Orchestral Tools have developed there libraries for it...so perhaps VSL can add to it!

Anyway..stay safe in these crazy times.

With kindest Regards

Paul

iMac Pro 3 GHz 10-Core Intel Xeon W, 128GB RAM, Mac OS X 12.5 Dorico Pro 4.1
Various VI and Syn Libraries, VE Pro 7, MIR Pro 3D, UVI Falcon, EZ Keys, Superior Drummer 3, Izotope RX Advanced, DigitalPerformer 11.03, Metric Halo ULN-8-3D, ULN-2-2D & 2882-3D interfaces
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Posted on Sun, Nov 01 2020 18:11
by bbelius
Joined on Sat, Mar 14 2015, Posts 883

Make sure to subscribe to our YouTube channel (and Dorico's as well).
I think you will like the videos!

Ben
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Mon, Nov 02 2020 14:36
by Oceanview
Joined on Sat, Jan 12 2008, Oxford, England, Posts 165

FWIW I would like to add my support to this also. The integration with Sibelius is time-consuming and unreliable in my experience. You only need to look at the opening pages of the Optimizing With Sibelius manual (which is invaluable BTW) to see how many links there are in the chain and how many chances there are for things to go wrong. The proposed 'Vienna Score' would not need anything like the features Sibelius has because the latter was originally designed for engraving - for printing out scores - playback was secondary. A VSL-dedicated software would only need to concentrate on playback and need only work with VSL libraries. It would also mean VSL users would be finally set free from bugs etc which may exist in Sibelius and the dreaded Sibelius Mixer.

Oceanview
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