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Last post Sun, May 24 2020 by andi, 12 replies.
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Posted on Thu, Apr 16 2020 14:04
by fabrice
Joined on Tue, Dec 02 2008, Paris, Posts 6

Hello,

I have been doing all the steps from https://eu.vsl.co.at/?FileID=184032

and I can find that many of the expressions and articulations are then reported in the Synchron player.

But I don't know how to trigger some of them, for example : what to write in Finale to get for a Oboe the articulation "Long Notes" of type Marcato ? (and potentially select then the attack?).

More generally, where are the links documented (in Finale? in a Vienna Synchron player propertey ? somewhere else ?).

Thanks for your help,

Fabrice

Posted on Fri, Apr 17 2020 09:40
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3221

Hello Fabrice!

"Marcato" and "Accent" are not offered as techniques for Strings in the Finale Human Playback Preferences. So I have chosen the available technique "Martelé" instead for triggereing the Strings marcato slots. This technique gets triggered by Articulation 4 (combined accent/staccato mark).

For Winds Marcato is available in the Human Playback Preferences, but unfortunately doesn't work currently, because of a wrong assignement in the set of Human Playback Preferences. I made a quick fix and attached the new file here. Then it should be possible to trigger the marcato slot with Articulation 4 (combined accent/staccato mark) as well.

To see which Finale articulation triggers which keyswitch, go to the Finale Human Playback Preferences/Instr. Techniques menu.

It would also be possible to use our Finale keyswitch dump file to send the C#1/C#2 keyswitches that will trigger the Marcato slot.
https://www.vsl.co.at/en/Notation_Related

Best regards,
Andi

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Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, May 21 2020 17:11
by Roberto D.
Joined on Thu, Dec 02 2004, Posts 178

Andi,

in Finale 26, Syzd Special Edition > Violin 1 PLUS won't recognize the staccato symbol (.) and will switch to Détaché instead.

The only workaround I found has been duplicating the Staccato Technique in HP Preferences, add a Custom Text "stacc." and create a text espression "stacc." into the Finale score. After assigning "stacc." to any measure, Finale will correctly send the keyswitch notes 24-36 to Synchron Player.

Am I missing something?

Thank you,
Roberto

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Posted on Fri, May 22 2020 10:01
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3221

Hello Roberto!

I can't reproduce your problem. Staccato marks make all violins switch to the staccato or spiccato articulations with the SYNCHRON-ized Special Edition Violin PLUS presets and the "VSL - SYzd Special Edition" Human Playback Preferences for Finale loaded here - even with the file that you have uploaded.

Best regards,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, May 22 2020 15:56
by Roberto D.
Joined on Thu, Dec 02 2004, Posts 178

I will give it another try.
Thank you, Andi.
Roberto

Posted on Fri, May 22 2020 15:58
by Roberto D.
Joined on Thu, Dec 02 2004, Posts 178

Originally Posted by: andi Go to Quoted Post
Staccato marks make all violins switch to the staccato or spiccato articulations with the SYNCHRON-ized Special Edition Violin PLUS presets and the "VSL - SYzd Special Edition" Human Playback Preferences for Finale loaded here - even with the file that you have uploaded.

PS - Do you mean the Staccato-full stop mark or the text "stacc."?

Posted on Fri, May 22 2020 16:21
by Roberto D.
Joined on Thu, Dec 02 2004, Posts 178

Hi Andi.

I made a short video from my Mac screen. As you can see, here Finale does not distinguish the staccato and spiccato symbols and will assign the spiccato articulation to both.

The last bar, without any articulation symbol, will be played as detaché.

Is this ok?

Thank you!
Roberto

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Posted on Sat, May 23 2020 09:04
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3221

Hello Roberto!

I ment the staccato marks (dots).

The articulations in your video are triggered as expected. Finale distinguishes between different note values.
Eight notes and shorter: detache
Quarter note and longer: sustain
Eight note and shorter with staccato mark: Spiccato
Quarter note and longer with staccato mark: Staccato

Best,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sat, May 23 2020 11:08
by Roberto D.
Joined on Thu, Dec 02 2004, Posts 178
Thank you Andi, it's finally becoming clearer to me! :)

Is the relationship between the duration of the note, the articulation symbol and the keyswitch a rule of Finale? Is it somewhere in the manual?

Thanks again,
Roberto
Posted on Sat, May 23 2020 16:59
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3221

Hello Roberto!

Yes, it's a playback rule by Finale that shorter note values trigger different articulations in some cases. This rule is not set up in the Human Playback Preferences. I don't know, if this is documented somewhere.

Best,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sat, May 23 2020 19:13
by Roberto D.
Joined on Thu, Dec 02 2004, Posts 178

Originally Posted by: andi Go to Quoted Post
Yes, it's a playback rule by Finale that shorter note values trigger different articulations in some cases. This rule is not set up in the Human Playback Preferences. I don't know, if this is documented somewhere.

Just out of curiosity, how did you find out?

Posted on Sun, May 24 2020 14:41
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3221

Hello Roberto!

By trial and error. ;-)

Best,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
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