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Posted on Wed, Aug 07 2019 14:22
by carnalex
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2019, Posts 3

Hi everyone,

New member here and also new to orchestration. I've been eyeing the Volume 1 – Essential Orchestra, seems like a great starter pack and easily extensible as I progress. VSL is overwhelming for newbies so I have a couple of questions that a quick search here didn't throw any results for (but the search function here feels like its 1999). Let me know if I should separate my post into multiple threads.

1) Is there any difference between using the Vienna key or eLicenser? I was under the impression that I had to use both,  but I've seen people claim its either or. If this is true, any differences I should be aware of when chosing?

2) Anybody here have experience using VSL on Bitwig? I think the Synchron player is based on VST2, so it should work...

3) I'd like to stay away from Kontakt as much as possible. I just want to confirm my statement above that the Synchron player is indeed a VST plugin that I can call from my DAW without the need for Kontakt.

Thanks,

Posted on Wed, Aug 07 2019 15:41
by bbelius
Joined on Sat, Mar 14 2015, Posts 883

Hi,

1) Yes, Vienna Key and eLicenser is the same. Vienna Key has a different package, but the dongle is exact the same.

3) Yes, you don't need Kontakt. All VSL products use VSL player (Vienna Instruments (Pro) for the VI series, Synchron Player for the Synchron series, Synchron Piano Player for the pianos, the plugins provided in different formats, all are available as VST2, and most also as VST3 as well as some other formats).

Best, Ben

Ben
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, Aug 07 2019 18:03
by carnalex
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2019, Posts 3

Thanks Ben,

Follow-up: If I'm understanding correctly, Vienna key is the hardware licensing control, whereas eLicenser is the software version of it. So, I can use any of them to unlock my VSLs. Why would people chose to pay for a dongle which can be lost, damaged, etc. instead of just using eLicenser?

Posted on Thu, Aug 08 2019 06:26
by bbelius
Joined on Sat, Mar 14 2015, Posts 883
Not exactly. eLicenser is a technology and has a hardware part (eLicenser Key/dongle), and a software part (soft eLicenser and the eLicenser Control Center).
All VSL software require the hardware eLicenser Key, so you have to buy one.
Vienna Key is just a label for the eLicenser Key.
Ben
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Aug 08 2019 06:28
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12754

Hi carnalex, 

Our products only work with a hardware USB eLicenser. 

A simple answer for your question: A hardware key is impossible to crack, and a niche product like ours wouldn't exist without the best copy protection. 

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Aug 08 2019 06:33
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9113

hi carnalex,
eLicenser is a brand for the USB protection device of the same name from Steinberg
https://www.steinberg.net/en/shop/buy_product/sku/502009050.html

formerly this protection device was made by a company named Syncrosoft and at this time VSL decided to name it ViennaKey when sold through the VSL WebShop, distributor or authorized dealer and this naming was kept until today.

all licenses from Steinberg, VSL and several other companies are stored on this "dongle", to download or move such licenses you have to use the "eLicenser Control Center"
https://www.steinberg.net/en/company/technologies/elicenser.html

hth, cm

and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Thu, Aug 08 2019 14:25
by carnalex
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2019, Posts 3

Thanks for all the helpful answers everyone! Much clearer now.

I'll be getting my usb unit later today, look forward to get the Essential Orchestra later this week!

 

Cheers,

Posted on Sun, Nov 22 2020 07:00
by 153775
Joined on Sun, Nov 22 2020, Posts 1

HI Carnalex, I have a Vienna key on its way to me but am running short on usb ports.  Do I have to have the dongle inserted in my mac the entire time I use the software?  Any insight is appreciated.  Thanks.

Posted on Sun, Nov 22 2020 09:50
by jasensmith
Joined on Tue, Jan 15 2008, Arizona, Posts 1582
Originally Posted by: 153775 Go to Quoted Post
HI Carnalex, I have a Vienna key on its way to me but am running short on usb ports. Do I have to have the dongle inserted in my mac the entire time I use the software? Any insight is appreciated. Thanks.


Short answer: Yes

The software won't work without the key plugged into a USB port. Although I've never tried it you could try using an external USB hub.


"If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There's no point in being a damn fool about it."
- W.C. Fields
Posted on Fri, Jan 01 2021 22:32
by civilization 3
Joined on Sat, May 16 2009, SF Bay Area, Posts 1807

Originally Posted by: 153775 Go to Quoted Post
running short on usb ports.  Do I have to have the dongle inserted in my mac the entire time I use the software?  Any insight is appreciated.  Thanks.

It can work if you, having instantiated it with the key in, make absolutely no change [or save] to your project or file. Once you do (or instantiate a library or plugin that requires it say in VE Pro) it will call the key and you'll have to stick it back in and "Retry"

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64GB 2667MHz DDR4
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Posted on Thu, Jan 14 2021 17:40
by FrancoisD
Joined on Fri, Dec 25 2020, Posts 6
Hello,

Sorry if this has already been adressed before.

I want to buy a new USB key because mine (steinberg for Cubase pro) is older than 5 years and I just learned about the VSL key policy yesterday. I own several VSL libraries. I never remove the key from its USB slot and the computer never leaves the desk.

As far as the USB key two year warranty is concerned, does it make a difference to buy a vienna key or the steinberg key ? I mean, in case of key failure, will VSL treat my case differently if my key is a steinberg one ? It’s easy to get a steinberg key where I live ( Switzerland), not the case for a Vienna Key.

Thank you for your help.

Cheers,
Posted on Thu, Jan 14 2021 17:55
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12754

Hi, 

Yes, you can get a Steinberg key, it will be treated the same. 

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Jan 14 2021 19:26
by FrancoisD
Joined on Fri, Dec 25 2020, Posts 6
Hi Paul,

Thank you, I really appreciate your quick answer. I will order the key tonight then.

Have a good evening,

Francois
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