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Elite Strings vs Chamber Strings?
Last post Thu, Sep 09 2021 by PaoloT, 6 replies.
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Posted on Mon, May 03 2021 10:09
by belkina
Joined on Sun, Jun 13 2004, Montreal, Posts 473

I'm a long time user of the Chamber strings. What do the Elite Strings add that the Chamber Strings don't have?

Posted on Mon, May 03 2021 15:01
by Seventh Sam
Joined on Sat, Dec 29 2018, Posts 286

Originally Posted by: belkina Go to Quoted Post

I'm a long time user of the Chamber strings. What do the Elite Strings add that the Chamber Strings don't have?

Alan,

From the short time I've been fiddling with and exploring Elite Strings, I would say that while the libraries are similar in section size, the core concept between them is quite different (and I don't just mean dry VS mic'ed).

Elite Strings has less overall articulations than Chamber Strings (especially if you include the sordino verisons), but the core articulations are comprehensively fleshed out, to the point where they become less like patches and more like playing styles.

To be more specific, you have legato, fast legato, expressive (baked in swell) legato, perf. detache, fast perf. detache, long, expressive long, portamento, and expressive portamento.  All of those have three types of vibrato (regular, without, and strong) that can be crossfaded or individually chosen.  All the perf. intervals sound convincing, so it's safe to say the core of the library is about shaping expressive lines with more control over dynamics, bow style, and vibrato amount than one usually gets.

The other thing that really sticks out to me is that tremolos, fast reps, and trills (!) have legato transitions and they actually sound quite good - something I haven't seen in a lot of other libraries.  There are divisi presets as well, but I haven't gotten around to messing with those yet.  Of course, it's got nice short articulations, pre-recorded dynamics, and whatnot, but to be frank, Chamber Strings contains a more comprehensive set of those.  All in all, I would say these two libraries are apples and oranges - one is not a replacement for the other, in my humble opinion.

Posted on Mon, May 03 2021 15:08
by belkina
Joined on Sun, Jun 13 2004, Montreal, Posts 473

Thanks so much, that helps! :-)

Posted on Tue, Sep 07 2021 21:53
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 1118

Originally Posted by: Seventh Sam Go to Quoted Post

To be more specific, you have legato, fast legato, expressive (baked in swell) legato, perf. detache, fast perf. detache, long, expressive long, portamento, and expressive portamento.  All of those have three types of vibrato (regular, without, and strong) that can be crossfaded or individually chosen. …

But — aren't these things for the most part also available in Chamber Strings? Can you elaborate on the differences?

Paolo

Posted on Thu, Sep 09 2021 17:36
by richhickey
Joined on Wed, Nov 01 2017, Posts 51

Originally Posted by: PaoloT Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Seventh Sam Go to Quoted Post

To be more specific, you have legato, fast legato, expressive (baked in swell) legato, perf. detache, fast perf. detache, long, expressive long, portamento, and expressive portamento.  All of those have three types of vibrato (regular, without, and strong) that can be crossfaded or individually chosen. …

But — aren't these things for the most part also available in Chamber Strings? Can you elaborate on the differences?

Paolo

For me the biggest differences are:

  • Wet vs dry - Elite can't get the presence of CS even with only the close mics. CS can be put in any space.
  • Elite has a "normalized" system of 3 vibratos and 4 note attacks, i.e. most every combination is present for most of the long articulations.
  • Elite has performance detache. This is a huge feature for idiomatic non-legato bowed lines.
  • Elite's two solo mics give you the ability to get more "texture" to the ensemble than CS, which is quite tight and uniform.
Posted on Thu, Sep 09 2021 22:46
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 1118

Originally Posted by: richhickey Go to Quoted Post

  • Elite has a "normalized" system of 3 vibratos and 4 note attacks, i.e. most every combination is present for most of the long articulations.
  • Elite has performance detache. This is a huge feature for idiomatic non-legato bowed lines.

Thank you for your answer. Of the two above points, it seems to me that the Synchronized version has normalized the attacks as well. There are now Soft, Normal, Marcato attack modes, plus Flautando. Vibrato is available as n.v., regular and molto vib.

As for the second point, I wonder if Marcato (Performance Marcato in the VI version) isn't the same thing.

Paolo

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