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Is there a way to apply a particular tuning (fine tuning in my case) to a Synchron Player instance?
I mean I know about the Edit tuning feature but this one applies patch by patch... In VIpro, there's a global tuning feature in Master Settings which applies to all included patches of the instance. Is there anything similar in Synchron Player?
Thanks.
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Hi,
Yes, the tuning setting on the PERFORM tab affects the whole Synchron Player instance.
Best,
Paul Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
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Hi Paul, thank you.
I tried something with the Perform tuning but it appears the global tuning was not the problem actually . I'm talking about Synchron Violas.
On Synchron Violas, Cantabile Patch (Long/Soft/Cantabile), F3 and F#3 are out of tune (F#3 even more than F3). Tune is dramatically low.
Please find an attached audio file, C3 chromatic scale, successively Soft/Cantabile/Light Vib & Soft/Regular/NoVib. At the end, octaves F3/F4 & F#3/F#4, Cantabile and Regular again. File Attachment(s):  ViolaCantabileTuning.wav (20,841kb) downloaded 16 time(s).You cannot view/download attachments. Try to login or register.
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Hi javajam,
I'm afraid I can't hear it, and there is also no option to tune individual notes in Synchron Player (or VI Pro).
One workaround is to work with a second Synchron Player instance that takes care of those 2 notes whenever needed...
Best,
Paul Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
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Just listen to carefully, the scale starts on C3, the faulty notes are F and F#.
I noticed that on a line featuring D-F#-A. The D/F# major 3rd interval is terrible (and the minor 3rd F#/A too indeed)...
Both F and F# octaves are dissonant on Cantabile patch.
As checked with a tuner:
- G3 is similar, whatever Cantabile or Regular
- F3: 348Hz (Cantabile) vs 350Hz (Regular)
- F#3: 368Hz (Cantabile) vs 372Hz (Regular).
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Folllowing, here are:
- D3-F#3 line: first with CantabileLightVib, second with RegularVib
- A3-F#3 line: same alternation
- 5th F#3/C#4 chord: 1st & 3rd with CantabileLightVib, 2nd & 4th with RegularVib
It hurts... File Attachment(s): ViolaCantabileTuning2.wav (6,059kb) downloaded 32 time(s).You cannot view/download attachments. Try to login or register.
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Any feedback or expected fix for this, please ?
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Hi Paul,
Can you please give us a feedback about this issue?
Thank you,
Alain
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We'll come back as soon as possible! Ben
Vienna Symphonic Library
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@javajam: How many are you? 
Best,
Paul Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
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Originally Posted by: bbelius  We'll come back as soon as possible! @bbelius Should a fix be expectable for these two notes? @Paul Sorry, I don't get what you mean (?)
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Javajam, I've put your audio clip into Melodyne Studio 4 to get a reasonably objective look at the pitches. From my experience and many laboratory-type tests using a calibrated external 10-digit counter/timer, I treat Melodyne's pitch detection as accurate only to within about ±3 cents, typically within ±2 cents. Nevertheless Melodyne - carefully used - is a very useful tool and it told me the following about your audio clip:
f4 Vib: -5 cents; f4 NoVib: +5 cents.
f#4 Vib: -14 cents: f#4 NoVib: +5 cents.
So I concur with you about the f#4 Vibrato being too far out of tune, even for a rich vibrato type of articulation which usually can cloak a lot of tuning sins. "Music embodies feeling without forcing it to contend and combine with thought, as it is forced in most arts and especially in the art of words."
~ Franz Liszt
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Originally Posted by: Macker
f4 Vib: -5 cents; f4 NoVib: +5 cents.
f#4 Vib: -14 cents: f#4 NoVib: +5 cents.
Hi Macker, Thank you so much for your efforts, it confirms the respective frequencies I reported on one of my comments a while ago. Knowing that my instruments are tuned @442Hz (the +5 cents you reported I guess, should be a bit more but the difference only is relevant here), the difference in cents I can calculate from the frequency gap is particularly similar to yours:
F3: 350Hz (Regular) vs 348Hz (Cantabile) = 9.92 cents (your result = 10 cents)
F#3: 372Hz (Regular) vs 368Hz (Cantabile) = 18.72 cents (your result = 19 cents)
Furthermore, rich vibrato tends to go to higher pitch better than to a lower one indeed... And whatever it couldn't be a global 8 Violas low tune.
With global tuning @442Hz, accurate notes frequencies in equal tempered scale are:
F3 = 350.82Hz
F#3 = 371.68Hz
To sum up, F3 is 1/10th tone too low, F#3 is 1/5th tone too low, we're close to oriental scale there...
Best,
Alain
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So, it looks like soon was not possible...
Just to know, should we expect for a fix for this issue or will it definitely stay 'as is' ?
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Meanwhile I just purchased the library and waiting for it to finish downloading 😅
But I have faith VSL is working on it
Afterall this is their Main string library.
cheers
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Originally Posted by: 149163 But I have faith VSL is working on it Who knows... 3 months passed and no reply.
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Great to see that more than one year later, this has just not been even fixed in the last Synchron Strings I update. I'm impressed. :-/
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