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Synchron Stage, Narrow or Wide?
Last post Sat, Jul 10 2021 by Dietz, 11 replies.
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Posted on Fri, May 29 2020 09:26
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 1124

Hi,

I know that with the pianos the Synchron stage has been used in its wide position.

I wonder however if the orchestra has been recorded in the wide or narrow positioning.

This is also to know the best match when combinining SY and VI libraries using the Teldex room with the latter ones.

Paolo

Posted on Fri, May 29 2020 09:42
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12789

Hi Paolo, 

All instruments are recorded in the wide position. That's also how we usually record any soundtracks @Synchron Stage Vienna. 

Best,
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, May 29 2020 09:47
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 1124

Paul, thank you. Very interesting!

So, we need @Dietz to be forced to make MIRx presets for the Teldex Wide! :)

Paolo

Posted on Fri, May 29 2020 14:31
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 1124

Considering that the wide position of the Teldex lacks a second microphone, I'm tempted to say that using the narrow position would be a savvier choice. Wide may sound somewhat more interesting, but the second microphone does a lot to increase realism.

Paolo

Posted on Fri, May 29 2020 15:47
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7729

We have been told back then that the "wide" orientation is hardly used at Teldex. I seem to remember that I even added a draft to the Venue Manual, supplied by the guys running Teldex, which outlines a typical setup  ... (leaves for searching 8-) ...)

... yes, there it is:

-> https://www.vsl.info/en/manuals/mir-roompacks/roompack2#venue-maps

Just scroll down a bit to see it.

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, May 29 2020 19:19
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 1124

Originally Posted by: Dietz Go to Quoted Post

I seem to remember that I even added a draft to the Venue Manual, supplied by the guys running Teldex, which outlines a typical setup  ... (leaves for searching 8-) ...)

Ah, nice! It's not the same setup as a typical concert hall, but studio setups are usually peculiar to the studio.

I'm growing more and more interested to the Synchron stage in wide position. I don't yet have that roompack, but I'm liking the Synchronized sound, and the venue previews you published in your web site.

I wonder if the DGG records with the Wiener Philharmoniker of the 60s and 70s were recorded there. Thinking about von Karajan: his records with the Berliners sound fat and full, dark and bass-heavy; with the Wieners it is all somewhat more transparent, while still sounding full. I wouldn't be surprised if the ones in your catalogue are the rooms these recordings were made in the respective towns.

Paolo

Posted on Fri, Jul 09 2021 20:11
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 1124

I’ve seen that the classical concerts conducted by Johannes Vogel at the Synchron Stage see the orchestra set in the narrow position of the hall. By doing my tries with MIR, I would say that this produces the "darker" and "warmer" sound.

So, it seems that soundtracks and samples go for the brighter setup. Care to elaborate on the differences between the two positions for the different types of music?

Paolo

Posted on Fri, Jul 09 2021 20:57
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7729

Hi Paolo,

I'm not really sure that I really understand what you're actually asking for ...? The sound of the hall is what it is, and the mics present these acoustic aspects.

8-)

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Jul 09 2021 21:17
by Seventh Sam
Joined on Sat, Dec 29 2018, Posts 286

Paolo,

For what it's worth, I asked Dietz a while back about matching MIR Pro to Synchron samples, and he told me that the MirX "Synchron A Wide" preset was designed to match the "Surround to Stereo Wide" presets in the Synchron Player mixer. (After playing around with it, I can confirm the two presets fit like a glove, although tweaks are necessary if the default reverb in Synchron is disabled)  FYI, in case that ever comes up for you!

Posted on Fri, Jul 09 2021 21:59
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 1124

Originally Posted by: Dietz Go to Quoted Post

The sound of the hall is what it is, and the mics present these acoustic aspects.

Dietz, it's probably self-suggestion, or the way sources are placed in the room, but I have the impression the room doesn't sound the same in the narrow or wide position. But I guess it would sound as different in the same orientation, but with sources moved in a different position.

Paolo

Posted on Sat, Jul 10 2021 12:47
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7729

Well, of course the hall will sound slightly different when listened to from a different position, in a different viewing angle. Like mentioned before, the original "portrait" setup (with the so-called orchestra shell in the back of the players) is all about depth. As soon as we flip to "landscape" orientation, "depth" becomes "width", and the now closer reflective back-wall becomes more obvious, adding to a brighter impression overall.

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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