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VI Percussion in MIR Pro
Last post Sat, Aug 14 2021 by Dietz, 7 replies.
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Posted on Sat, Aug 14 2021 10:21
by Pixelpoet1985
Joined on Fri, Dec 23 2016, Germany, Posts 316

On the product page you can read that a selection of VI percussion instruments has already been processed with IRs from Vienna Konzerthaus. Are these IRs built-in or can you still choose between dry and processed? I couldn't find any information on this. 

I'm just wondering if the MIRx settings use the dry or the processed instruments. I think the latter doesn't makes sense, does it? Please enlighten me! ;)

Posted on Sat, Aug 14 2021 10:55
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7763

The so-called "Processed Percussions" date back to a time when MIR was nothing but a concept and a bunch of impulse responses recorded at the Vienna Konzerthaus. I tried to exploit the latter "by hand" in one of the best studios in the Viennese area at that time. You can still use the pre-processed "dry" component in MIR Pro, though. 

Quoting the manual

Quote:
80 Processed Percussion

The processed percussions are a mixdown-ready set of selected samples from the Vienna Symphonic Library. Our goal was to achieve authentic acoustic depth and imaging from these instruments – as if they were recorded while being played in the back of the stage in a world-class orchestral hall, carefully treated by experienced engineers.

World class analog and digital equipment was used throughout: Dynamic processors from API, Manley, Urei, SPL and SSL, equalizers and filters from Massenburg, Avalon, Tube-Tec and Calrec, routed and mixed through the large-scale Neve VR console at Tonstudio Hafner near Vienna. The digital audio workstation which handled the complex routing was Steinberg's Nuendo 3 [!!! ;-) ... ], equipped with RME digital cards and Lake People AD/DA converters, Algorithmix equalizers and others, as well as additional custom designed software for impulse response processing.

The virtual stage on which you now can put these pre-processed instruments is the sought-after Great Hall of the Vienna Konzerthaus. The microphone is placed in a position which is supposed to be one of the ideal listening positions in this auditory – a seat in the 7th row, approximately. The positioning cues for each instrument plus the resulting reverb are derived from selected impulse responses from the Vienna Symphonic Library's "MIR" project. The graphic below gives you an idea where each instrument is seated [see manual].

Although pre-processed, these instruments still offer a considerable amount of artistic freedom: The relation between the direct ("dry") signal and the resulting reflections and reverb may be chosen with a turn of the modulation wheel. – However, you should be aware that "full wet" means the absence of any direct signal, something that is not very likely to happen in nature. Nevertheless, in this way you will be able to bring an instrument closer to the listener if your arrangement asks for it.

Also, you’ll still be able to choose the side on which an instrument is seated: just swap the sides of the left and right channels within your mixing application. Although not true to nature anymore, the result will be convincing and mix perfectly with the other pre-processed percussion instruments.

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sat, Aug 14 2021 11:24
by Pixelpoet1985
Joined on Fri, Dec 23 2016, Germany, Posts 316

Thanks, Dietz! I'm not sure if I understand correctly...

Does this mean one has to use the "dry" (i.e. not pre-processed) with your MIRx settings?

I don't know if my instruments are pre-processed. I have no option in the download area (if this is the case anyhow), but the instruments sound "wet". How can I download the dry versions?

Posted on Sat, Aug 14 2021 11:40
by Pixelpoet1985
Joined on Fri, Dec 23 2016, Germany, Posts 316

Originally Posted by: Dietz Go to Quoted Post

Although pre-processed, these instruments still offer a considerable amount of artistic freedom: The relation between the direct ("dry") signal and the resulting reflections and reverb may be chosen with a turn of the modulation wheel. – However, you should be aware that "full wet" means the absence of any direct signal, something that is not very likely to happen in nature. Nevertheless, in this way you will be able to bring an instrument closer to the listener if your arrangement asks for it.

I can't change the reverb amount with the modulation wheel. Where? In VI Pro? Maybe I'm doing or understanding something wrong.

Posted on Sat, Aug 14 2021 12:08
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7763

I assume that the paragraph in the original manual has been aimed at Vienna Instruments, yes (see attachment).

Due to the fact that there was no MIR application ready for actual work back then*), "dry" means that the sounds were pre-processed like described in the manual, readily panned according to the intended position on stage, but exported without baked-in IRs.

... and before you ask: Yes, it will be preferable to counter-act the built-in panning when using these sounds with MIR Pro. ;-)

*) ... let alone MIRx - we're talking about 2007 or 2008 here. 8-)

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/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sat, Aug 14 2021 12:52
by Pixelpoet1985
Joined on Fri, Dec 23 2016, Germany, Posts 316

I don't have these patches called "processed" in VI Pro, and they weren't downloaded. I have the number 81. So I think that I have the dry versions. It's only curious that it's still mentioned in the manual. Sorry for all the confusion. :)

Thanks for clarifying and taking your time on a saturday. Have a nice weekend!

Posted on Sat, Aug 14 2021 14:02
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7763

You're welcome!

You will have to talk to VSL support people who can look up your data-base and tell you if you're actually missing the Processed Percussion, or if you just don't own the license.

->

Best,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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