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Dolby Atmos - Demystified by Edgar Rothermich
Last post Sun, Nov 28 2021 by stephen limbaugh, 11 replies.
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Posted on Mon, Oct 25 2021 08:44
by Macker
Joined on Tue, Aug 21 2018, London, Posts 540

For several years now, qualified tonmeister Edgar Rothermich has been saving me countless hours by his various publications that dig deep into Logic Pro. I've learnt I can trust his analyses, his attention to detail, his sense of relevance, and above all, his intellectual integrity. Only occasionally do I find I need to dig even deeper than Edgar has already gone.

The big new thing in Apple's recent Logic Pro 10.7 is Dolby Atmos which, over the last 10 years, has been promising a new era of 3D immersive surround sound production and consumption. Shortly before this new Logic release Edgar addressed the topic of mixing in Dolby Atmos, in a 48 minute video on YouTube; backed up by his lavishly illustrated book "Mixing in Dolby Atmos - #1 How It Works". No doubt he'll also cover Logic Pro 10.7 very soon. Here's a link to the YouTube video:

"Mixing in Dolby Atmos - How it Works"

Before you wade into the whole video, I'd suggest you might want to take a sneak peek at his very illuminating demonstration of binaural sound for headphones, right at the end of the video, starting at 43:25, linked here.

(I'm in no way affiliated to Edgar Rothermich.)

"We should always remember that sensitiveness and emotion constitute the real content of a work of art."
~ Maurice Ravel
Posted on Mon, Oct 25 2021 15:57
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7868

Thanks for sharing!

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Mon, Oct 25 2021 19:01
by plowman
Joined on Sat, Dec 13 2003, Posts 1134

There's a lot of good study books and tutorials in the Logic universe, but when it comes to degree of detail, graphic layout and depth of information, Edgar stands alone. The production quality of his videos is superb. These are the products of a man totally immersed in his work. 

I too have no professional affiliation with him. 

Posted on Tue, Oct 26 2021 20:09
by plowman
Joined on Sat, Dec 13 2003, Posts 1134

Originally Posted by: Macker Go to Quoted Post

No doubt he'll also cover Logic Pro 10.7 very soon.

No doubt indeed: 

http://dingdingmusic.com/-titles-/logic-pro---whats-new-in-10_7.html

Posted on Tue, Oct 26 2021 22:58
by Macker
Joined on Tue, Aug 21 2018, London, Posts 540

Thanks so much for the heads up and the link, Plowman!

Bought it just now and settling down for a very satisfying read.

"We should always remember that sensitiveness and emotion constitute the real content of a work of art."
~ Maurice Ravel
Posted on Fri, Oct 29 2021 22:12
by Louisc
Joined on Fri, Sep 10 2004, Posts 13

I started some experimentations with the new Dolby Atmos support in Logic Pro 10.7, following the excellent videos from Stephen Limbaugh.

But the implementation in Logic is slightly different from the one in the videos, and some aspects of Atmos related to "ambience" (basically reverb...) are still a bit confusing to me.

I'm sure the fine people at VSL are already working on tutorials on how to get the best from Atmos in Logic Pro 10.7 but, if they're not, I would suggest the following topics:

  • Describe how to properly set the size and location of Synchron instruments using their near microphones as well as the central microphones, and also how to best use room-mixes and algorithm reverb for optimal results without affecting the Atmos surround effect
  • Same as above, but hopefully enhancing results using the additional surround microphones included in the Synchron instrument extended libraries
  • Describe how to get optimal and efficient results using Vienna Instruments and general purpose effects (reverbs) plugins
  • Same as above, but specifically using MIR Pro, assuming its extremely sophisticated localization capabilities are compatible with Atmos

Those are my two cents on the subject. I hope it can help because, after only a short time experimenting with Atmos, I'm really convinced Atmos will be a complete game changer.

Posted on Mon, Nov 01 2021 21:12
by Louisc
Joined on Fri, Sep 10 2004, Posts 13

Well, it didn't take too long for my prayers to be answered!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwC7az8s12I

Thanks Paul for the video and everybody else at VSL who have worked on its preparation.

Looking forward to all future videos on Atmos!

Posted on Tue, Nov 02 2021 08:19
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 13299

Hi, 

You're very welcome. Hope we can upload the next video soon!

Best,
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, Nov 03 2021 13:22
by Macker
Joined on Tue, Aug 21 2018, London, Posts 540

Thank you Paul for that very useful Logic/Atmos/Synchron intro video, and I'm also much obliged to Bernd Mazagg (Sychron Stage Technical Director and Chief Recording Engineer) for providing you and us with some much needed stakes in the ground regarding Logic/Atmos setup with a Synchron (full) library.

I'm currently experimenting with Synchron Timpani (full) in Atmos (binaural), also comparing it with another timpani library recorded in 3D at Galaxy Studios, Belgium - home base of Auro Technologies, the pioneers of 3D immersive sound. I must say, whilst I've always been extremely happy with my huge rock drums library also recorded in 3D at Galaxy, when it comes to orchestral percussion and especially timps, I'm finding that the sense of 3D acoustic space I'm getting from Sychron Stage is preferable for orchestral works. Compared to Sychron Stage A (trapezoidal plan) acoustics, the Galaxy (rectangular plan) live room seems more definitely 'closed' and 'finite' - which works out great for rock, metal, jazz, etc, drums, but to my ear, sounds just a tad too obviously 'constrictive' for renditions by orchestral instruments. By contrast, Synchron Stage ambience tends to open out as it decays, evoking a more enigmatic, less obtrusively limited sense of space - perfect for intricate, nuanced orchestral performances; also ideal for seamless metamorphosis into added long-tail artificial reverbs. Horses for courses.

But I digress. Lol, sorry.

I'm eagerly awaiting further illuminating VSL videos on Logic/Atmos/Synchron.

"We should always remember that sensitiveness and emotion constitute the real content of a work of art."
~ Maurice Ravel
Posted on Tue, Nov 09 2021 18:44
by stephen limbaugh
Joined on Tue, Feb 23 2016, Los Angeles, Posts 278

Originally Posted by: Louisc Go to Quoted Post

I started some experimentations with the new Dolby Atmos support in Logic Pro 10.7, following the excellent videos from Stephen Limbaugh.

More videos coming soon, this time working specifically in Logic 10.7 instead of the Dolby ATMOS Renderer!

2019 MacBook Pro, 8 core i9, 32gb RAM. Heavy Digital Audio PC slave, 6 core Xeon E5-1650, 128gb RAM. Logic 10.6.3. Big Sur & Windows 10.
Posted on Sun, Nov 28 2021 23:42
by stephen limbaugh
Joined on Tue, Feb 23 2016, Los Angeles, Posts 278
Originally Posted by: stephen limbaugh Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Louisc Go to Quoted Post

I started some experimentations with the new Dolby Atmos support in Logic Pro 10.7, following the excellent videos from Stephen Limbaugh.

More videos coming soon, this time working specifically in Logic 10.7 instead of the Dolby ATMOS Renderer!



Here it is!

https://m.youtube.com/wa...VM&feature=emb_title
2019 MacBook Pro, 8 core i9, 32gb RAM. Heavy Digital Audio PC slave, 6 core Xeon E5-1650, 128gb RAM. Logic 10.6.3. Big Sur & Windows 10.
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