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Dynamics - Which approach for most realism?
Last post Mon, Feb 28 2022 by Migot, 6 replies.
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Posted on Tue, Feb 22 2022 13:30
by Sanseb
Joined on Sat, Oct 03 2015, Frankfurt am Main, Posts 3

Hi all, 

how do the Pros work with dynamics in VSL to achieve the most realistic results?

I would appreciate some guidance ;-)

 

Have a great day!!!

Tags: dynamics
Posted on Wed, Feb 23 2022 08:17
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3523

Hi Sanseb!

Your question can't be answered in general. There are many different possible (and succesful) workflows. It also depends on your used DAW or notation software and if you are programming the notes or if you are playing/recording performances on your keyboard.

To find your personal workflow, I would start with playing different instruments and presets on your keyboard. This way you will get to know the library and hear what works fine for you.

Best regards,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, Feb 23 2022 11:03
by Sanseb
Joined on Sat, Oct 03 2015, Frankfurt am Main, Posts 3

Hey Andi, thanks for commenting!

I am writing the Score using Dorico 4. If possible I would like to stay with Dorico and make all the necessary adjustments from there to get it to sound good. 

I was messing around a little with recording a VelXF performance for one track and copying it to the other instruments (Full Orchestra). I wasn't too excited with the results though..  Doing this to each instrument individually would probably give the most authentic results, but I'm afraid to loose track of the overall dynamic balance with increasing number of VelXF recordings.

 

Hence the question - what other philosophies to go about dynamics are there to be worth exploring?

Greets,

 

Sanseb

Tags: dynamics
Posted on Wed, Feb 23 2022 11:45
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3523

Hi Sanseb!

Our Dorico Playback Templates use velocity for dynamics by default. I only switch to VelXF control when I want dynamic changes within a note. You can find some information about controlling dynamic layers in our Dorico Quickguide.
https://www.vsl.info/en/tutorials/guides/dorico-integration/quickguide#optimization

Best regards,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sat, Feb 26 2022 11:51
by Marcabru
Joined on Fri, Sep 08 2017, Posts 29

It has been discussed in the Dorico forum. Some people like to assign cc 2 (or 1) instead of velocity, and cc11 as a secondary. Others go with velocity + either cc2 or 11 (apparently some of the newer VSL products use cc1 rather than cc2) -- either way, you'd want xF enabled unless you're happy to stick with velocity-only.

Posted on Mon, Feb 28 2022 19:11
by Migot
Joined on Sun, Apr 01 2007, Quebec, Canada, Posts 286

Sanseb

 

My thought about that:

VSL SE is already pretty well balanced about the volume of one instrument to each other !

In fact Dorico send a default CC7=100 for any instruments laoded.

THIS IS NOT RESPECTFUL TO THE SE'S GENUINE SETUP !

 

Default CC7 from VSL SE are the following:

Woodwind CC7 = 71

Brass CC7 = 113

Percussion and Mallets has

différents setup between  CC7 = 71 to 113

Harp CC7 = 51

Orchestral Strings CC7 = 67

Chamber Strings CC7 = 67

Solo Strings CC7 = 57

 

From there, I have edit Dorico's all Expression maps (Dorico)

 

-Lets say a Flute

1-  Init:

CC11=127 (Expression)

CC15 = 127 (Reverb/on)

CC28 = 127 Vel.XF on)

 

2- Select all articulation and edit:

- Volume dynamic: Control change: 7

Min: 71 Max: 71 (woodwinds) (Brass 113, etc.) 

- Use Secondary dynamic

- Contro change: 2

Min: 1 Max: 127

 

Et voilà...

 

Export Library (save as with a new name)

Save «Endpoint» and use it to create your own «Playback Template».

Alain LeBlond
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