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Last post Thu, Mar 17 2022 by ravez, 10 replies.
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Posted on Wed, Aug 22 2018 16:56
by Arsenal
Joined on Sat, Nov 26 2016, Posts 19

 

Hello,

what are your prefered ways to switch articulations right now?

 

Im still trying to found out if there is a option or workaround to switch through articulations via programm changes (PG) or at least CC

Right now I switch my VIPRO-Tracks with program changes inside the midi events.
In order to copy events from a VIPRO-based track to a SynchronPlayer-based I would need to able to be able to switch via PG and also match the same values.

- I am not able to have the switch learn program change - 

Im trying to avoid using keyswitches all together in the future

 

Thanks for your help

Posted on Wed, Aug 22 2018 18:27
by fahl5
Joined on Fri, Feb 04 2005, Göttingen, Posts 956

Just click on the White Field under "Articulation" (you can do that of course also with every Articulation Dimention like "Vel.Range", "Type", Vibrato", "Attack" or your own added or programmed Dimension) and you will find a menu to chose the for your need most appropriate way to controle the Articulationswitch you can chose beside "Note" and "White note" not nly "Program Change". If you like to use a CC instead you could chose one of the 8 available "Dimension controler".

In the "Controle" panel below the Articulationswitch section you can configure in which way each of the Controlersliders and "Dimension Controles" your use are triggered. Among  (others you find also "Controler" which allows you to asign a certain CC to the Dimension controle you have chosen.)

To be clear, this is just a regulary possible way to make use of the highly customizable Synchronplayer. So no "workaround" is needed at all.

In short: However if you want to use CC for Articulationselection no problem just chose them.

I hope I was able to help

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Posted on Wed, Aug 22 2018 18:40
by Arsenal
Joined on Sat, Nov 26 2016, Posts 19

Thank you!

I am only able to switch via Dimensions via CC (instead of PG).

Which means in VIPro I would be limited to just 12 cells, am I correct?

 

That bothers me because I wanted to setup all my VIPro Instances and Synchron Player the same way concercing switching (Program Change). 

for example PG20 being Legato Regular for every instrument wether VIPRO or SP

That way I would be able to move midi events from every instrument to another and be free of keyswitching

 

Thanks everyone

 

 

EDIT: I really cant get Synchron Player to learn that for example Dim.Ctrl.F should be controlled by Program Change

Posted on Wed, Aug 22 2018 19:37
by fahl5
Joined on Fri, Feb 04 2005, Göttingen, Posts 956

Originally Posted by: Arsenal Go to Quoted Post

I am only able to switch via Dimensions via CC (instead of PG).

No it should even more simple to directly asign a starting PG Number for the positions of an Articulation Dimension. You do not need inevitably to chose the dimension controler at all.

Originally Posted by: Arsenal Go to Quoted Post

Which means in VIPro I would be limited to just 12 cells, am I correct?

Sorry, I cant follow you. What excactly should limit the amount of cells in a Synchron-Player Articulation dimension? You know that PG provide 127 Numbers should be enough.

But perhaps you are right, if you mean you want to configure a kind of universal Articulationswitch standard Like the Spitfire UACC. Since I confess I fear currently you can only set the beginning PG Number from which the following Cells get the next Nmubers. At least I currently do not know how to asign a certain single  Articulöation in a Articulation-dimension-cell directly to a certain Number without the following Cell will get the directly following Number.

 

Originally Posted by: Arsenal Go to Quoted Post

That bothers me because I wanted to setup all my VIPro Instances and Synchron Player the same way concercing switching (Program Change). 

for example PG20 being Legato Regular for every instrument wether VIPRO or SP

That way I would be able to move midi events from every instrument to another and be free of keyswitching

As far as I know, you can not controle neither the X nor the Y-the Axis of the VI-Pro with PG-change values at all!

If it should really be "the same way" as in VIPro, I think you should have not that problem, since in VI Pro you can only decide to use Program change instead Keyswitches for the Matrix-Selection and if you did so it automatically beghinns counting starting with PG 1. So this is also possible in the Synchronplayer just chose in the Menu of the White Field af "Articulation" the forth Position in the Menu "Program change" and chose the 1 and the Matrix selection of your VI-Pro will react similar to the "Articulation"-Dimension in Synchron-Player.

However since you can controile in VI-Pro only the Matrixselection either with Keyswitch or Programchange but not the X- and Y-Axis of a certain Matrix in VI-Pro. I can not see any possibility to asigne a certain cell to a certain PG-Value.

 

Originally Posted by: Arsenal Go to Quoted Post

 

EDIT: I really cant get Synchron Player to learn that for example Dim.Ctrl.F should be controlled by Program Change

That is right. the Dimension Controler could not be controled by Program change, but you can chose any of the regular 127 CC's instead.

However as I said you do not need a Dimension Controler if you want to select tha positions of a Articulation Dimension by Program change as I said chose it directly in the Menu that pops up in the White field under the Name of your Articulation-Dimension.

I hope that helps

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Posted on Fri, Feb 25 2022 18:45
by nicksaya_4552
Joined on Sat, Jan 10 2004, Posts 7

Synchron Harp is not responding well to keyswitches. for instance when i have gliss up and down going over 8 bars with chord changes on each bar the key wheel not responding to recorded key switches. if i delete white keys it will.  is this a bug? also other keyswitches not always reliable

Posted on Fri, Feb 25 2022 18:47
by nicksaya_4552
Joined on Sat, Jan 10 2004, Posts 7

Synchron Harp is not responding well to keyswitches. for instance when i have gliss up and down going over 8 bars with chord changes on each bar the key wheel not responding to recorded key switches. if i delete white keys it will.  is this a bug? also other keyswitches not always reliable

Posted on Thu, Mar 03 2022 06:32
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 13477

Hi Nick, 

You probably forgot to mention the update I sent you via support: 

We have integrated a feature in the settings of the harp, called "Keyswitch Grace Period" (#9), which should prevent you from accidentally triggering keyswitches while playing wild glissandos on the white keys. 

If you set that value to series, there will be no keyswitch collisions when you place a keyswitch VERY close to the next played note. 

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Tue, Mar 15 2022 10:16
by Beat Kaufmann
Joined on Fri, Jan 03 2003, Switzerland/Brugg, Posts 1772

Originally Posted by: Arsenal Go to Quoted Post

 

... Im trying to avoid using keyswitches all together in the future

 Thanks for your help

Even though you seem to want to say goodbye to keyswitches, here is a link to a video about the choice of articulation. Maybe it can change your mind.

https://youtu.be/dsw6FIdDeY0

All the best

Beat

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Posted on Wed, Mar 16 2022 14:55
by DaddyO
Joined on Tue, May 22 2012, Washington (US State), Posts 448

Originally Posted by: Beat Kaufmann Go to Quoted Post

Even though you seem to want to say goodbye to keyswitches, here is a link to a video about the choice of articulation. Maybe it can change your mind.

https://youtu.be/dsw6FIdDeY0

Beat Kaufmann,

That looks like an interesting approach. Thanks for pointing this out.

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Posted on Thu, Mar 17 2022 02:02
by ravez
Joined on Sun, Apr 24 2011, Posts 29

I really don't understand why anyone would use key-switches instead of expression maps/articulations sets/sound variations (cubase/logic/studio one).

VSL even provides expression maps (at least for the libraries i have), so no need to make custom presets or to build your own.

You can just map remote notes or program changes for the articulations you need to access on the fly while playing, and the rest you can choose from the articulations menu, after you have recorded your performance.

And if you are consistent you can choose the same remote midi messages for different libraries.

I prefer switching everything to attribute rather direction in cubase, so that i don't even use the articulation lanes, since there are dozens of them and it becomes too cluttered.

But i can't think of a single advantage of using key switches, unless i misunderstood something.

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