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Posted on Tue, Feb 23 2021 21:50
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 13811

Hi, 

We just added new mixer presets to all SYNCHRON-ized products (including our SYNCHRON-ized Special Editions). which makes it more comfortable to integrate those instruments with MIR Pro. 

The whole Synchron Player mixer is reset for this purpose, so that you're ready to apply the MIR magic to dry samples. 

What is reset?

  • EQ
  • Impulse Response
  • Algo Reverb
  • Panorama
  • Volume

Find all SYNCHRON-ized Library Updates in MyVSL and the changelogs here. 

Best, 
Paul

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Posted on Wed, Feb 24 2021 00:40
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 1393

Very handy! Thank you!

Paolo

Posted on Wed, Feb 24 2021 03:40
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Posts 983

very nice!

Posted on Wed, Feb 24 2021 08:30
by lupine
Joined on Sun, Feb 14 2016, Posts 61

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

Hi, 

We just added new mixer presets to all SYNCHRON-ized products (including our SYNCHRON-ized Special Editions). which makes it more comfortable to integrate those instruments with MIR Pro. 

The whole Synchron Player mixer is reset for this purpose, so that you're ready to apply the MIR magic to dry samples. 

What is reset?

  • EQ
  • Impulse Response
  • Algo Reverb
  • Panorama
  • Volume

Find all SYNCHRON-ized Library Updates in MyVSL and the changelogs here. 

Best, 
Paul

 

Hello Paul,

great news!
Are these for Synchron-ized strings only? I can't find any recent update for Synchron-ized Woodwinds with the MIR unprocessed mixer preset.
Thanks

Posted on Fri, Apr 02 2021 08:32
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 13811

Hi lupine, 

These new mixer presets are available for all SYNCHRON-ized products now. Simply install the corresponding Library Updates and they will appear!

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Mon, Dec 20 2021 11:36
by ColinDougall
Joined on Fri, Dec 16 2016, Scotland, Posts 59

Hi

In the He Man walkthrough for Synch SS on YouTube by Carl King he said to switch of reverb and remove any other impulse from the samples in the Synch Player when using. Mir Pro - do you still have to do this?

Is there a new mixer preset that needs to be selected when using MIR pro?

Thanks, ColinD

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

Hi, 

We just added new mixer presets to all SYNCHRON-ized products (including our SYNCHRON-ized Special Editions). which makes it more comfortable to integrate those instruments with MIR Pro. 

The whole Synchron Player mixer is reset for this purpose, so that you're ready to apply the MIR magic to dry samples. 

What is reset?

  • EQ
  • Impulse Response
  • Algo Reverb
  • Panorama
  • Volume

Find all SYNCHRON-ized Library Updates in MyVSL and the changelogs here. 

Best, 
Paul

Colin Dougall
Posted on Thu, May 12 2022 13:44
by GLM
Joined on Sat, Jan 16 2021, Germany, Posts 7

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

Hi, 

We just added new mixer presets to all SYNCHRON-ized products (including our SYNCHRON-ized Special Editions). which makes it more comfortable to integrate those instruments with MIR Pro. 

The whole Synchron Player mixer is reset for this purpose, so that you're ready to apply the MIR magic to dry samples. 

What is reset?

  • EQ
  • Impulse Response
  • Algo Reverb
  • Panorama
  • Volume

Find all SYNCHRON-ized Library Updates in MyVSL and the changelogs here. 

Best, 
Paul

Old thread but I wonder about the product lines side by side now, since the reason to purchase the VI series was to get the dry recorded samples for more flexibility. But now it looks like both products are the same then? Or are they still sounding different. Are they still recorded on different stages?

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Posted on Sun, Jun 05 2022 11:30
by Seventh Sam
Joined on Sat, Dec 29 2018, Posts 345

X POST from Synchron Libraries forum:

When setting the Mixer preset to "99 MIR Unprocessed" for any of the SYN-zed Dimension Brass or Dimension Strings libraries, I notice that the "mic" channels (i.e. Trumpet 1, Trumpet 2, etc.) do not revert to 0, but instead are set a varying amount (-3 for the trumpets, -6 for strings, etc.).  I also notice that, regarding the Trumpets, the singular patches have their gain bumped to +2 (with Blare at +4) in the Edit tab, while the singular players have those numbers reduced by 2 respectively.  Yet, when "0 default" is selected for a Mixer preset, everything is set to unity.

So, my question is this: are the varying gain settings in the Synchron player that are a result of the MIR unprocessed mixer preset intentionally set for use in MIR Pro (in conjunction with its natural volume and/or MIRx settings), or is it a better idea to use the "0 default" mixer preset instead?  

Also, another question for Dietz:

When you created the Synchron Stage wide MIRx presets for MIR, did you go off the original VI dimension samples or the altered SYN-zed dry samples?  Or does it really make a difference?

Posted on Sun, Jun 05 2022 18:15
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3676

Hi Seventh Sam!

I have anwered your question in the thread that you have opened in the Synchron Libraries forum.
https://www.vsl.co.at/community/posts/m311349-Question-about-SYN-zed-Dimension-Brass-Strings-MIR-settings#post311349

Best regards,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sun, Jun 05 2022 19:11
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 8285

Originally Posted by: Seventh Sam Go to Quoted Post
[...]

Also, another question for Dietz:

When you created the Synchron Stage wide MIRx presets for MIR, did you go off the original VI dimension samples or the altered SYN-zed dry samples?  Or does it really make a difference?

I worked on the original Vienna Instruments Dimension series. AFAIK, the differences (on a sample-level) between them and the Synchronized releases should be marginal (if any), but I hope that Andi or someone else from VSL will correct me if I got that wrong. :-)

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sun, Jun 05 2022 19:17
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Posts 983

I started with the VI dimension series...and then the upgrade to synchronized was not too expensive so I upgraded and have both.  My impression is that the synchronized not only has the Synchron hall added, but the Synchron player is arguably easier to use and I definitely prefer it in this particularly case, as just an easier way to work with the Dimension libraries.  I personally have not dug deep enough to comment about specific articulations or differences in the actual samples or the way they are edited...there are various commentary about this on VIControl forum if you search there.  But I think they both sound great!  I actually end up disabling the Synchron room and use MIR pro anyway!!!  But I find the Synchron player is just kind of nicer to work with.

Posted on Sun, Jun 05 2022 21:27
by Seventh Sam
Joined on Sat, Dec 29 2018, Posts 345

Originally Posted by: Dietz Go to Quoted Post

I worked on the original Vienna Instruments Dimension series. AFAIK, the differences (on a sample-level) between them and the Synchronized releases should be marginal (if any), but I hope that Andi or someone else from VSL will correct me if I got that wrong. :-)

Thank you, that's helpful to know!  (The MirX presets sound really solid, by the by!)

Posted on Mon, Aug 15 2022 13:39
by Macker
Joined on Tue, Aug 21 2018, London, Posts 612

Pretty much any sound source can be used with MIR Pro 3D.

For example, I've just been testing a synth on the Gateshead stage along with VI Appassionata Strings and Synchron Timpani. All good, so long as you comply with MIR Pro's input requirements (or at least preferences): i.e. close mics only, as dry as possible, on a stereo pair as nearly mono as possible [well that's what I recall reading in the MIR Pro 3D manual, although I can't find that particular quote now].

In the Synchron Timps player I applied the "Default" Mix Preset then disabled the Main, Main-C and Mid mixer channels, leaving only the Close channels.

I can appreciate that it's probably not great marketing for VSL to suggest that Synchron libraries can submit themselves to MIR Pro 3D. But then again, what about user scenarios in which they have a broad selection of libraries from different developers, and would like to spatialize an eclectic variety of dissimilar libraries together on one stage? MIR Pro 3D to the rescue!

"Music embodies feeling without forcing it to contend and combine with thought, as it is forced in most arts and especially in the art of words."
~ Franz Liszt
Posted on Mon, Aug 15 2022 16:57
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 8285
Originally Posted by: Macker Go to Quoted Post
[...] i.e. close mics only, as dry as possible, on a stereo pair as nearly mono as possible [well that's what I recall reading in the MIR Pro 3D manual, although I can't find that particular quote now].[...]

 
Not necessarily mono (quite contrary: stereo makes for a nicer reverb. most of the time), but without any obvious bias to the left or the right side.
 
 
Quote:

MIR Pro 3D to the rescue!

Always, always. ;-D

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Mon, Feb 13 2023 04:39
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2832

Hello Dietz

I am just experimenting with MIR 3D in my first song ; it's a GREAT product.

My wishes so far :

- Have one place to disable all room reverb in ALL the VSL instruments entering in the venue

- I did not find the volume automation in MIR (there are too many places to set the volume, in the DAW, in MIR instruments and in the instrument setup of MIR)

- A command to set all 

- Add drop down menu for all the commands

- Have the manual in PDF so you can import and search in it

- Automatic placement of VSL instruments when you start 

- Add the Keyboard shortcut in the Mac Pro strip

Many thanks in advance

Cyril

MacBook Pro 2019 16" 64gb 4TB + 2 x Odisseey G9 49"

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd

Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 3, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa
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Posted on Mon, Feb 13 2023 10:10
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 8285

Originally Posted by: Cyril Blanc Go to Quoted Post
Hello Dietz

I am just experimenting with MIR 3D in my first song ; it's a GREAT product.

Thanks! Good to hear that you like MIR 3D as much as we do.

Quote:
My wishes so far :

- Have one place to disable all room reverb in ALL the VSL instruments entering in the venue

That's what the "Dry Solo" button in the Output Channel is there for (see attachment 1).

Alternatively, you can achieve this by clicking the Bypass-button of any selected instrument while holding Option (Mac) / Alt (Windows) on the keyboard. This will bypass all selected instances.


 

Quote:
- I did not find the volume automation in MIR (there are too many places to set the volume, in the DAW, in MIR instruments and in the instrument setup of MIR)

I would use the Volume parameter of the actual plug-in Window in your DAW (see attachment 2).

Quote:
- A command to set all

As soon as you keep the Option (Mac) / Alt (Windows) key pressed, any parameter change will be applied to all selected instruments. Alternatively, you can activate MIR 3D's Preference to always handle selected Icons as a Group (see attachment 3)

Quote:
- Add drop down menu for all the commands

Please elaborate ...?

Quote:
- Have the manual in PDF so you can import and search in it

That's on the list. :-)

Quote:
- Automatic placement of VSL instruments when you start

The new Preset Management takes care for that (much as legacy "MIRx-mode on steroids" ;-) ...). As soon as you have the proper "Roles" assigned, MIR 3D will push all activated parameters to the new values when you change a Venue Preset.

You can also have your favourite Venue Preset activated in the Venue Selection browser (see attachment 4).

Quote:
- Add the Keyboard shortcut in the Mac Pro strip

Thanks for the suggestion.

Enjoy MIR 3D!

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Posted on Tue, Feb 14 2023 05:19
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2832

 

Hello Dietz

Thanks for your answers.

I have put my answer in bold so it is more easy to read

I Re-phrase this question :

- Be able to disable room reverb of all SY instruments and just use the room reverb of the venue

I am wondering if it is a good idea to use SY and BB instrument if you use MIR

Quote:
- A command to set all

As soon as you keep the Option (Mac) / Alt (Windows) key pressed, any parameter change will be applied to all selected instruments. Alternatively, you can activate MIR 3D's Preference to always handle selected Icons as a Group (see attachment 3)

I have tried this on the volume of the instruments, it does not work, I have find out that "Command" set the volume to 0 on the selected instrument ; I have tried "Option and Command", it does not work.

Quote:
- Add drop down menu for all the commands

Please elaborate ...?

See screen copy 

Quote:
- Automatic placement of VSL instruments when you start

Say you have a VSL violin in Logic, why is it not put at his place on the venue automatically 

- Setting the volume :

What you propose is an individual vue of the instrument. When you mix a piece you need a global view of all the instruments.

What do you think of setting all instruments in the venue to 0db  and adjust the volume in the Logic Mixer ?

-  I had problem to "deselecting" after a "selecting all instruments", is there is a rule ?

- Is there is a rule to make a mix ?

Thank you very much for you help

Kind regards

Cyril

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Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 3, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa
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Posted on Tue, Feb 14 2023 09:26
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 8285

Hi Cyril,

most of your questions are Synchron Player related. This is not my forte - please post them in the appropriate sub-forum, then they will get answered quickly. I can't split this thread easily myself, because you posted your questions in a totally unrelated announcement-thread.

Quote:
- Is there is a rule to make a mix ?

If there is one, I haven't found it yet, in about 40 years of mixing. :-D ... Or actually there is one: "Make it sound as good as possible."

Kind regards,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Tue, Feb 14 2023 09:38
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2832

Hello Dietz

My questions are MIR PRO 3D related ; who is the guru of MIR PRO ?

Kind regards 

Cyril

MacBook Pro 2019 16" 64gb 4TB + 2 x Odisseey G9 49"

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd

Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 3, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa
Many Sychron Instruments

Final Cut pro
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Posted on Fri, Mar 17 2023 20:02
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2832

Hello Dietz

Can you put the good date because it is confusing  ; 2021 is a long time ago

It will be great if you could put the updates in Vienna Assistant 

I had licenses error that I post at support.

I have put most of my song with the MIR Unprocessed ! GREAT ! MANY THANKS

There are still Syn instrument that do not have the 99 MIR ..... in that song  (seen screen copy)

It will be great if you can set them as well.

Many many Thanks

Cyril

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--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 3, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa
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