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Pro edition strings for Halion
Last post Sat, Aug 04 2007 by cm, 17 replies.
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Posted on Sun, Jul 29 2007 09:34
by hanshenrikbay
Joined on Sun, Jul 29 2007, Posts 6
Hi

Does anyone know if I can buy the strings from pro edition and then convert it from giga to Halion ?
Can I use performance tool too ?

I guess i cannot download Halion files for pro edition from vsl download ?



Hans Henrik
Posted on Sun, Jul 29 2007 09:47
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9029
welcome hans,
whereas the strings (single note instruments) should convert to HALion fairly well, i suspect the performance elements (from the performance set) to be a real mess - extensive re-mapping would be needed.
generally you can use the performance tool, but please see Formats & Performance Tool for more information about MIDI routing for HALion - nothing i would be fond of for the pro edition ....
christian
and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Sun, Jul 29 2007 09:50
by Conquer
Joined on Thu, Sep 28 2006, Posts 812
Hi Hans. Halion 3 can apparently* import Giga files. The VSL Performance Tool is available for HALion, but the Pro Edition samples are not - you'd have to buy the Giga version of the strings (not sure if Halion can also import EXS24 format?) and convert them.

(* Just to be on the safe side, I suggest you ask Steinberg support to confirm this before you go ahead with the purchase!)
Posted on Sun, Jul 29 2007 09:52
by Conquer
Joined on Thu, Sep 28 2006, Posts 812
Hi cm - why would extensive re-mapping be needed? As long as Halion did the conversion correctly, surely the Giga mapping would be preserved?
Posted on Sun, Jul 29 2007 10:03
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9029
fortunately i never had to do this, but our mapping team reported heavy need of adjusting after the import for the horizon series products, so this task has never been done for the pro edition.
if you have a look into the performance elements you will find the mapping with upward and downward legati with a certain offset besides a lot of layers wich IIRC has been too complicated for a flawless import. and take another look into the repetitions ...

in any case (if someone likes to take the plunge) i'd recommend to start with the giga version, because also the exs version was based on this *original* mapping. and if this topic comes up: all importers (mapping translation applications) failed beyond a certain point ...

christian
and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Sun, Jul 29 2007 11:07
by hanshenrikbay
Joined on Sun, Jul 29 2007, Posts 6
But will you recomend to buy this or is to much wasted in the conversion proces ?
Can I fx. easily shift between sus, staccato and tremolo and pizzicato with performance tool ?
"Extreme sample converter" should be one of the best to convert. Have you tried that ?

I donĀ“t think I need more complicated use of the performance tool.
I really like to get the strings before they are discontinued.



Hans Henrik
Posted on Sun, Jul 29 2007 11:36
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9029
if i understand you correctly: shifting between articulations wouldn't need the performance tool (which is used primary for legati and repetitions) because this works using keyswitches.

can't comment on extremetranslator, which seems to have been heavily developed during the last year - at the time the conversion happened chickensys has been considered to work best, but not perfect.

hopefully someone familiar with this tool can step in
christian
and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Mon, Jul 30 2007 09:49
by Conquer
Joined on Thu, Sep 28 2006, Posts 812
Hello again Hans. Converting a huge library like Pro Edition Strings from one format to another is VERY demanding. As cm has reported the need for 'heavy adjusting' after the HALion import it's probably not worth the hassle.

cm, did VSL do their own conversions for Kontakt 2? If Hans was prepared to buy Kontakt 2, would you recommend that he bought the EXS / Kontakt 2 version of Pro Edition Strings? One advantage is that (I believe) this version does away with the Performance Tool and uses Kontakt's MIDI scripting instead.
Posted on Mon, Jul 30 2007 15:18
by Anonymous Joe
Joined on Fri, Oct 13 2006, Posts 229
Conquer wrote:
Hello again Hans. Converting a huge library like Pro Edition Strings from one format to another is VERY demanding. As cm has reported the need for 'heavy adjusting' after the HALion import it's probably not worth the hassle.

cm, did VSL do their own conversions for Kontakt 2? If Hans was prepared to buy Kontakt 2, would you recommend that he bought the EXS / Kontakt 2 version of Pro Edition Strings? One advantage is that (I believe) this version does away with the Performance Tool and uses Kontakt's MIDI scripting instead.


I've translate the Pro WW giga to kontakt 2 a couple of days ago and everything was fine. I will only have to remap 2 instrument the rest was perfect.

One thing you could do is get the strings Pro edition Giga and translate it to K2 and use scripts to make fake legatos and round robin instrument instead of buying the Performance set. The main advantages is that it will cost less, use less ram and you will be safer from a translation point of view. Those script in K2 are pretty cool and don't require any perf tool and would be easier to use too. I just though you should know this is and other option.

Of course if the EXS perf set translate well to K2 you might want a go for it.
But i have know idea if that works. Make sure that it does work before you buy because you can not return it.
Posted on Fri, Aug 03 2007 15:41
by hanshenrikbay
Joined on Sun, Jul 29 2007, Posts 6
I got the Giga version yesterday and I have now translated it to Halion.
I used Halions import function.
I have a very fast computer so it was rather fast. Around 5 hours for everything.
Everything works fine with keyswithces and modulation wheel, but I thougth the license to different play methods via performance tool follwed. I only got alternation from mallets for halion.
Do I really have to buy these seperatly ?

Hans
Posted on Fri, Aug 03 2007 18:17
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9029
as far as i can see you have registered strings - this module dosn#t contain performance elements like repetitions and legati, so the respective modes in the performance tool wouldn't make sense.
christian
and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Fri, Aug 03 2007 19:38
by hanshenrikbay
Joined on Sun, Jul 29 2007, Posts 6
So what do I miss converting to halion ?
Posted on Fri, Aug 03 2007 19:48
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9029
hanshenrikbay wrote:
So what do I miss converting to halion ?
sorry, but it seems i don't understand the question ... the strings from the orchestral cube contain these articulations - the performance elements can be found in the performance set ... but as mentioned earlier: nothing i for myself would like to convert to HALion ...
christian
and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Fri, Aug 03 2007 20:45
by hanshenrikbay
Joined on Sun, Jul 29 2007, Posts 6
Sorry CM
I have mixed up the performance set with the performance tool.
I was just confused buying the small package "mallets" I got the alternation possibility in the performance tool, but the bigger strings package contains no more possibilities with the alternation tool.

Now I understand you much better. I wont go for the performance set.
But what about the Woodwinds and Brass ?
Do you think Halion can convert them fairly good too ?
Posted on Sat, Aug 04 2007 00:14
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9029
i'd say all single note instriuments (i.e. articulations) would convert similar ... (the basic structure is the same) - btw: have a look in the user area - downloads - tool sets ... aren't there some alternation sets for the orchestral cube products?
christian
and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Sat, Aug 04 2007 10:55
by hanshenrikbay
Joined on Sun, Jul 29 2007, Posts 6
Thank you for your help.
I found out The Orchestral Cube products contains only alternation.
Funny, I saw the demo video in the user area, it says that all the sample libraries will be converted for Halion and Kontakt. It must be old.
I will go for the Woodwinds and Brass. Hopefully they sound just as good as the the strings. They sound awesome.
Posted on Sat, Aug 04 2007 11:05
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9029
doesn't it say *all sample libraries from the horizon series*?

another reason why this did not happen for the pro edition:
the kontakt and halion programs use the samples from the EXS-version (which is already on each DVD of horizon series products, either if you have registered for EXS format or not).
pro edition giga users would need a new set of EXS DVDs to use the same programs because the giga DVDs don't contain the isolated wave-files.

but main point was that it doesn't seem to make sense to run the pro edition performance set in kontakt or halion, neccessarily besides the orchestral cube.

as you write: it takes some time but for single note instruments import works fairly well
christian
and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
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