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Posted on Sun, Jul 20 2003 19:24
by note4note
Joined on Mon, Jun 09 2003, Surrey, England., Posts 18
Hello,

This is a lengthy post, I'm sorry. You may have to be somewhat of a genius to work it out! I've read of people succesfully using Giga + Logic on 1 PC, but I still desperately need some guidance!

How do I make the following setup work with the Performance Set:

PC + Windows XP
GSIF sound card
Giga Studio 160
Logic Audio 5.5
Performance Tool
Maple Midi Tool (virtual midi driver)


As per Maple Help, I start GigaStudio, then Logic Audio (from outside GigaStudio), then Maple Tool (then Performance Tool) - in that order. No crashes or errors.

Giga (Midi Input = NONE) and (Midi Output = Nemesys MidiOut Port 1)

Logic (Midi Input = Unknown, how do I find this?) and (Midi Output = Maple MidiOut Port 1)

Maple Tool = (Midi Input = Echo MIA Midi, my sound card). Maple Output ports are enabled.*

Performance Tool (Midi Input = Maple MidiInput Port 1) and (Midi Output = Nemesys MidiOutput Port 1)

As I understand it, midi data from the keyboard (via Echo MIA Midi) enters Maple tool, then goes into Logic, then to the Performance Tool, and finally into GigaStudio.

Problem is, although midi signals can be seen in Logic Audio, the keyboard doesn't play the loaded VSL performance instrument. Sound is only heard when Logic MidiOutput is set to Nemesys MidiOutput Port 1, which means it by-passes the Performance Tool.

Under Control Panel, Sounds and Audio Devices, I put the following settings:

Sound Playback = Sound Card Virtual Output port.
Sound Recording = Sound Card Digital Input port.
Midi Music Playback = Nemesys MidiOut Port 1 or Maple MidiOut port 1?


What settings should Logic Audio be using for the Echo Mia Sound Card when used with GigaStudio - Direct Sound, MME, ASIO WMD, or ASIO DirectX? Changing these settings sometimes causes the program or the computer to error or crash...

Please could someone post a detailed step-by-step guide to make this work for me and maybe others too...

Many thanks.

* Maple Output 1, 2, 3, and 4 were created in the environment window of Logic as per Maple Help instructions. I connected the GM device - channel 1, to Maple Output 1 via a virtual cable. Then in the arrange window of Logic, I set the output of my newly created 'Maple Out device' to Maple Output 1. Furthermore, to avoid Logic crashing, I edited the win.ini file to set the ports to = 0, as per Maple Help instructions.
Posted on Tue, Jul 22 2003 15:25
by Kevin Phelan
Joined on Mon, Feb 10 2003, Silicon Gulch, TX, Posts 51
It seems the path should be MIDI keyboard into MIDI input and Logic , then somehow route the Logic MIDI to the performance tool and performance tool to Giga. You may need the marble tool to help route Logic to the performance tool perhaps. Also, for the Giga Studio, before you start Logic, be sure to turn off the MIDI loop by clicking on the little keyboard icon near the MIDI port buttons. It will flash red & white then. That may work better than simply setting the MIDI to none in Giga.

The ideal would be if the performance tool showed up as a virtual MIDI port.

Good luck. I look forward to hearing other composers exact solutions here on how to hook this up properly.
Kevin
Posted on Tue, Jul 22 2003 17:03
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9040
note4note, your midi-routing should be:
keyboard wired physical to soundcard midi-in
midi of the echo mia as input in logic (should show up using the enviroment)
route logic out to maple-port1(in)
select maple-port1(out) as midi-in in the performancetool
select nemesysport1 as midi-out in the performancetool
set midi-in1 in gigastudio to none or turn off midi-loop as kevin described (thanks kevin for mentioning - that was new to me)
christian
and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Tue, Jul 22 2003 17:05
by note4note
Joined on Mon, Jun 09 2003, Surrey, England., Posts 18
Thank you for that Kevin.

I'm using Maple virtual midi driver from Marble Tools so that I can use virtual midi in and out ports between Giga and Logic and the Performance Tool (as it's all on 1 PC).

I'm getting the following errors from the Performance Tool:

1) Error on Output

2) Visual C++ Runtime error... application will close (have to restart perf tool)

I'm sure I'm nearly there. Damon Bradley has helped me already a great deal in his previous posts and a recent message. I believe I followed the instructions to the letter but I get these error messages from the performance tool which I don't think Damon experiences.

Is it Windows XP that's causing all this? I've got Windows ME from my previous computer - would that solve the problem if I installed it? Yet Damon says he's using this setup on Windows XP...

Please Help... Crying
Posted on Wed, Jul 23 2003 19:32
by David Govett
Joined on Mon, Jul 29 2002, Austin Texas USA, Posts 1046
I got Logic in front of me now. On another thread I suggested something that helps with MIDI over LAN crashes so who knows, it might help.

Turn off Auto Synch. It is in the menu of the little clock on the transport.
That is all I can think of at this point.
LAter
Dave
Posted on Wed, Jul 23 2003 19:33
by David Govett
Joined on Mon, Jul 29 2002, Austin Texas USA, Posts 1046
I got Logic in front of me now. On another thread I suggested something that helps with MIDI over LAN crashes so who knows, it might help.

Turn off Auto Synch. It is in the menu of the little clock on the transport.
That is all I can think of at this point.
LAter
Dave
Posted on Thu, Jul 24 2003 19:59
by note4note
Joined on Mon, Jun 09 2003, Surrey, England., Posts 18
Hi guys,

Thanks to all who've helped so far. Damon said he used Sonic as his sequencer without any problems on 1 PC with Giga. So a friend kindly installed Sonic XL on my system to see if this would be the miracle solution. But it wasn't. Dave, I uninstalled Logic beforehand so I wasn't able to try your tip.

My thoughts are that this whole problem with the Performance Tool stems from the midi routing. The errors I receive from the Performance Tool only occur when I change the combination of midi in and out ports in either the Performance Tool, my sequencer, or Giga (although I realise Giga should remain with NONE as Midi-in and the Midi-out set to Nemesys Port 1).

Anyway, I can keep trying. King Idiot said he might help me when he clears his workload, so perhaps there's something he can do.

All the best,

Natalie.
Posted on Fri, Jul 25 2003 03:19
by KingIdiot
Joined on Sat, Nov 30 2002, Posts 400
Natalie, can you get the performance tool running without a sequencer running.

I apologize if you posted this somewhere earlier or it was in the private message, I just want to get the ball rolling, without taking the time to backlog.

All you need here is to set the Perf tool to recieve MIDI in from your MIDI interface/keyboard, and output to GigaStudio. Make sure that in Gigastudio you ahve it set to recieve <none>.

Once there we'll see if we can get it running via some sort of MIDI router without the sequencer, to see if it works that way too. THEN we'll add the sequencer in the mix. I have a feeling its just a routing option/problem. Others are using Logic and the tool and Giga on one machine.

Really...I am an Idiot
Posted on Sun, Jul 27 2003 22:14
by note4note
Joined on Mon, Jun 09 2003, Surrey, England., Posts 18
Hello

I tried use only the Performance Tool with Giga, without a sequencer running, but I receive the same error - ERROR ON OUTPUT. - Which output??

Midi In on the Performance Tool is set to my Sound Card MIA, the output is set to Nemesys Output Port 1. The problem is probably just a midi routing/option issue. I think it will work but experimenting with the right settings is difficult because it makes things so unstable with the computer.

I also posted the Runtime error I sometimes receive when using the sequencer in addition to Giga and the Performance Tool. It is posted in the Vienna Symphonic Library Forum.

I look forward to any help.

All the best,
Natalie.
Posted on Wed, Jul 30 2003 04:37
by David Govett
Joined on Mon, Jul 29 2002, Austin Texas USA, Posts 1046
I brought an old post to the top to discuss this. I don't need it myself but I also get the same problems getting it setup even with Marble tools. The other post has some very detailed instructions by Damon Bradley that look really good and seem to work with most sequencers. Any luck on your end so far? This is a nagging problem so if there is a solution, I would like to test it out, get it working for you and get the word out.
Later
Dave
Posted on Thu, Jul 31 2003 02:37
by note4note
Joined on Mon, Jun 09 2003, Surrey, England., Posts 18
Hello everyone,

After much ado, I'd like to share my solution to the problem detailed in this discussion. Windows XP, for some reason, caused my Performance Tool to close with a Runtime Error, or to show an Output Error immediately upon receiving midi signal. Installing Windows 98se or ME/2000 resolved this issue.

If you are intending to use Giga with a Sequencer and the VSL Performance Set on 1 PC, I'd advise you to have one of the aforementioned operating systems installed and to set your midi routing (using a virtual midi driver tool like Maple or Yoke) to the setup described by Damon Bradley in a previous Giga forum posting:

1. First, open up Maple Tools. Go to Options-Midi Settings and make sure you have the 'Open Inputs from Midi Interface hardware' checked. Make sure all Midi Inputs are set to 'none' as well.
Then go to Options-Advanced Midi and make sure the 1 box is checked in (to enable the maple output ports). Now close out Maple Tools.

2. Open Giga and go to Settings-Hardware/Routing and make sure all midi ins from Giga are set to 'none', hit the 'Apply' button then close Giga.

3. Open up your sequencer and on your midi ins, select your soundcard only (ex: Delta 1010). Next make sure your midi outs are set to 'Maple Midi Out-Port 1' and also select the Nemesys ports 2, 3 and 4. You want all 4 of these midi outs selected with the maple Midi out on top, then the Nemesys ports for additional tracks.

4. Close sequencer.

5. Open up the VSL performance tool and set the Midi In Port to 'Maple midi In Port 1' and set the Midi Out Port to 'Nemesys Midi Out Port 1'.

6. Close the performance tool.

7. To be safe, reboot your computer just so Windows doesn't get hung up on any weird changes (this is what messed me up before).

8. Open up Giga first, then minimize it. Open up the VSL performance Tool next, minimize it. Then open your sequencer.
Go back to Giga and load the violin perf-leg p patch.

9. Maximize the VSL performance tool and select 'Legato' in channel 1. Then hit the little arrow underneath it and it will open another screen for legato tools. Open the Strings folder and select VI-14 perf-leg.pal.

10. You should be able to play the sound and record now in your sequencer.

I hope this helps. This is exactly how King Idiot (Ashif) got me up and running.
It sounds like alot to remember, but once you have it setup, you open up Giga first, then the VSL performance tool, then your sequencer and that's all there is to it. you don't have to ever mess with the Maple Tools interface again either since it's all set now.


These instructions were kindly given to Damon by King Idiot.

Others may have been successful with a setup comprising Windows XP as their operating system but through all my experimentation with midi port setups, sequencers, and sound card settings, installing Windows 98 or 2000 is the only solution I could find. I sincerely hope it works for you if you should experience the same.

Lastly, I’d like to say a very big thank you to those who've helped me either directly through email or in your forum postings. You all know who you are, so thank you.

All the best and kind regards,

Natalie [note4note]
Posted on Thu, Jul 31 2003 21:04
by KingIdiot
Joined on Sat, Nov 30 2002, Posts 400
YAY!

Glad you got it running!

Really...I am an Idiot
Posted on Sat, Jan 31 2004 18:59
by skip
Joined on Wed, Jan 21 2004, Posts 22
Note4note -
Did you by any chance look at the web site for the maple midi router? there is a whole section on getting the maple router to work with Logic. I followed their suggestions and had no problem from the start. (www.marblesound.com/Maple_driver.html)
Skip
Posted on Sat, Jan 31 2004 19:02
by skip
Joined on Wed, Jan 21 2004, Posts 22
Sorry I guss your post is very old. I didn't look at the date. I don't know why it came up at the top of the list here.
Skip
Posted on Tue, Feb 03 2004 20:55
by David Govett
Joined on Mon, Jul 29 2002, Austin Texas USA, Posts 1046
We stuck these top two threads at the top so people can more easily find them. These are two issues that people often need to refer to here. (RAM optimizing & running the VSL tools on one machine)

Take care
Dave
Posted on Thu, Oct 14 2004 11:28
by pitchoune
Joined on Thu, Aug 12 2004, LILLE (FRANCE), Posts 82
Hi everybody!

I Had the same problem than note4note....
So I changed my OS...
from Windows XP PRO to Windows 2000 PRO..

And now It works...

I hope than with the next Perfomance midi tool, the problem will be solved.

So if you tried everything on windows XP...it's a problem with your OS..and not with something else.

regards,
Frédéric.
Posted on Tue, Sep 20 2005 04:33
by Guy Bacos
Joined on Sun, Jan 16 2005, Quebec, Canada, Posts 1978
Ok here is a dumn questions: I am about to purchasse a G5 and Logic along with VSL Complete Orchestral Package. Why? Because I'm quite familliar with all that stuff. I was working on that equipement for the past 2 years and got by just fine but was never introduced to anything else. I have no idea what the gigastudio offers or what's special about it and do you need a PC? So is this something worth looking into or should you stick with what your already comfortable working with?

Guy
Posted on Tue, Sep 20 2005 22:58
by PolarBear
Joined on Sun, Jul 20 2003, Germany, Posts 1206
First, GigaStudio on a Mac is a no-go. You need a PC to run GigaStudio (that you can send Midi to from your Mac and recieve audio from it through a few possible ways). VSL C.O.P. for both GigaStudio and EXS/Logic would usually need you to buy a sidelicense for the other (import problems).

Apart from that, there are no big differences in what you can do with it, from what I can hear EXS is superior to GS when working on a single machine because with a fully stuffed machine you can do more. There is no such thing as GigaPulse in EXS but you can use any other convolver for that (and use Altiverb which isn't availible for PC). Most people buy PC and Giga in addition to their Mac sequencer setup because they like to work with Logic but the PC side is slightly cheaper for getting more samples loaded once they experience the limits of their setup. For a general view of what GigaStudio is offering visit Tascam's website. I don't think you miss anything special without it.

Hope this helps,
PolarBear
A zero can decuple an existing problem.
Posted on Wed, Sep 21 2005 05:19
by Guy Bacos
Joined on Sun, Jan 16 2005, Quebec, Canada, Posts 1978
Ok, my main concern is to be able to work with over 100 tracks simultaniously. Articulations and performance instruments are of couse an important part. My question is: If on my G5 adding more RAM is not a problem, would I still be better of with Gigastudio? I wish I could hear of some people who manages just fine with a single G5 never having problems with freezing or amounts of instruments used simultaniously.

Guy
Posted on Wed, Sep 21 2005 13:01
by PolarBear
Joined on Sun, Jul 20 2003, Germany, Posts 1206
People are using GS ind addition to the G5 because they find themselves limitied with a single one. So they maxed out their G5 to the possible max, and now it's cheaper for them to add a PC with GS than buy another G5 and Logic license. Most don't use VSL alone but also a lot of other libraries at the same time, sample libraries and VSTi's.

Perhaps sneak a bit through the EXS part of the forum, a few people described their setups in there, sorry that I can't link you to specific threads though.

Hope this helps,
PolarBear
A zero can decuple an existing problem.
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