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VSE Violas - anyone else hearing this? [reminder]
Last post Mon, Apr 02 2007 by Mike McCarthy, 12 replies.
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Posted on Tue, Mar 27 2007 20:55
by Mike McCarthy
Joined on Sun, Aug 22 2004, Auckland, New Zealand, Posts 115
Hello all

Please load VSE Orchestral Strings Violas perf-leg patch.

Play legato from D4 to C4, D4 to E4, D4 to F4.

The D4 keeps ringing after the new notes are triggered. I think the release time of the D4 transition sample is too long.

It was enough to make the Producer sit up and go "what's that wrong note?"

Had to use the Chamber Violas instead.

I could fix this easily with my Opus lib in Halion - but how to fix in VSE?

My only complaint with an otherwise superb product.

Respectfully,
Mike.
Posted on Tue, Mar 27 2007 22:39
by herb
Joined on Mon, Aug 05 2002, Posts 4618
Hi Mike,

I'll check it, when I'm back from Musikmesse in Frankfurt.
Just give this thread a PUMP on next monday, so I won't forget.

best
herb
Posted on Wed, Mar 28 2007 06:11
by Mike McCarthy
Joined on Sun, Aug 22 2004, Auckland, New Zealand, Posts 115
Thanks Herb - I'll remind you next Monday. Smile

Mike.
Posted on Wed, Mar 28 2007 14:17
by Guy Bacos
Joined on Sun, Jan 16 2005, Quebec, Canada, Posts 1981
I'm just curious, what's VSE? something solo ensemble?
Posted on Wed, Mar 28 2007 14:21
by nliberg
Joined on Fri, Dec 02 2005, Posts 232
Guy wrote:
I'm just curious, what's VSE? something solo ensemble?

probably Vienna Special Edition.
Posted on Wed, Mar 28 2007 20:18
by Mike McCarthy
Joined on Sun, Aug 22 2004, Auckland, New Zealand, Posts 115
Yes, VSE = Vienna Special Edition.

Mike
Posted on Wed, Mar 28 2007 21:50
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9075
seems VSE gets used as common acronym for Vienna Special Edition - i have just submitted it here
Wink christian
and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Wed, Mar 28 2007 23:14
by Guy Bacos
Joined on Sun, Jan 16 2005, Quebec, Canada, Posts 1981
Good, now I'll know it's not Vienna Stock Exchange. Smile
Posted on Wed, Mar 28 2007 23:43
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9075
luckily they decided to name it WBAG (Wiener Börse AktienGesellschaft) Wink what is of course a very clear naming opposed to say VIX, which is another institution Stick out tongue
and to make things not too easy the vienna stock exchange choose this domain: http://en.wienerborse.at/
christian
and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Mon, Apr 02 2007 05:58
by Mike McCarthy
Joined on Sun, Aug 22 2004, Auckland, New Zealand, Posts 115
Herb, you asked to be reminded on Monday regarding the following Special Edition issues:


1.Hello all

Please load VSE Orchestral Strings Violas perf-leg patch.

Play legato from D4 to C4, D4 to E4, D4 to F4. (Middle C = C3).

The D4 keeps ringing after the new notes are triggered. I think the release time of the D4 transition sample is too long.

It was enough to make the Producer sit up and go "what's that wrong note?"

Had to use the Chamber Violas instead.

I could fix this easily with my Opus lib in Halion - but how to fix in VSE?

My only complaint with an otherwise superb product.

Respectfully,
Mike.

2. Bb Clarinet Legato-sus patch. Second velocity layer is "clamping down". First layer is OK.

Thanks,
Mike.
Posted on Mon, Apr 02 2007 13:10
by herb
Joined on Mon, Aug 05 2002, Posts 4618
Hi Mike,

I've just checked it. All samples have the correct Release value.
What you hear are resonances caused by the musicians itself. The ringing is part of the intervall samples an not the release of the previous sample.

You can proove it (velocity crossfade has to be set OFF), if you perform the D with velocity 1 (piano sample is triggered) and than C or E with velocity 127 (forte sample is triggered) you will hear only the new sample, and everything you hear is part of this new sample, no Release sounding.

What you hear, is the open D string with some overtones which is forced by performing the D on the higher A string, and the D string keeps ringing for some time. So I think it's an authentic and natural effect.

best
Herb
Posted on Mon, Apr 02 2007 19:37
by Mike McCarthy
Joined on Sun, Aug 22 2004, Auckland, New Zealand, Posts 115
1.Violas: So this would happen in real life - I understand now (sorry - I'm not a string player Surpriseops: ). Strange that the Solo & Chamber Viola patches do not do this, though.

2.Did you check the Bb Clarinet legato-perf sus patch?

Second velocity layer (forte) is doing a strange "pumping" effect. Was this intentional?

Thank you for your detailed reply.

Mike.
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