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Bosendorfer Piano - Polyphony
Last post Thu, Apr 05 2007 by Steve99, 20 replies.
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Posted on Tue, Apr 03 2007 12:54
by Steve99
Joined on Wed, Sep 21 2005, Posts 17
Hi

I am a bit dissappointed with the VSL Bosendorfer piano. Fantastic samples, very real, but I don't like the functionality. When I play Rachmaninov's Prelude in C sharp minor the polyphony maxes out and it all sounds horribly wrong. I have the samples on a seperate hard disk and 4GB of memory - so why is this happening. I can have a whole symphony orchestra playing in Gigastudio - so I don't think it is the computer - more likely the Vienna Instruments interface.

Steve
Posted on Tue, Apr 03 2007 12:56
by Steve99
Joined on Wed, Sep 21 2005, Posts 17
Hi

What does close mean? 5cm near the soundboard or microphoned from the lip of the piano? What does distant mean? 1m or 20m? Are there any photos of the recording.

Stephen
Posted on Tue, Apr 03 2007 12:58
by Steve99
Joined on Wed, Sep 21 2005, Posts 17
Hi

Is there anyway to use VSL within GS3? Or are there any plans to release a gig version of the Bosendorfer? As frankly Gigastudio is far far better than any other sampler I've used, including Vienna Instruments.

Steve
Posted on Tue, Apr 03 2007 13:25
by Sapkiller
Joined on Tue, Nov 05 2002, Copenhagen - Denmark, Posts 394
The VI is 64-voice polyphony I believe.
Probably not quite enough pedal up/down, extended runs on piano, harp etc.
Best regards
Bjarne

"Keep your head cool and your heart warm"
Posted on Tue, Apr 03 2007 13:44
by nliberg
Joined on Fri, Dec 02 2005, Posts 232
Sapkiller wrote:
The VI is 64-voice polyphony I believe.
Probably not quite enough pedal up/down, extended runs on piano, harp etc.


Can this be true? It seems unreasonably low for piano.
When I play using my SampleTekk TBO library I can easily reach a polyphony of 100-120.
Posted on Tue, Apr 03 2007 21:26
by Sapkiller
Joined on Tue, Nov 05 2002, Copenhagen - Denmark, Posts 394
yes - but I suppose the VI was developed for the cube - and for a orchestral
instrument 64-voices is more than enough. Maybe we will see an update
of this in the future?
Best regards
Bjarne

"Keep your head cool and your heart warm"
Posted on Tue, Apr 03 2007 22:30
by Steve99
Joined on Wed, Sep 21 2005, Posts 17
Sorted! Yep it is more than enough - just dicovered that if I use the standalone version I can play a glissando down the piano and a huge lot of chords at once. But problems came when I use Piano in VST instrument plugin. I was using the softwares built in sound driver as opposed to the hardware one. It still is not as good as standalone but better. I would like to see a capture to disk facility in the VI.
Posted on Wed, Apr 04 2007 04:57
by nliberg
Joined on Fri, Dec 02 2005, Posts 232
Sapkiller wrote:
yes - but I suppose the VI was developed for the cube - and for a orchestral
instrument 64-voices is more than enough. Maybe we will see an update
of this in the future?


I see. Thanks for the answer.
Posted on Wed, Apr 04 2007 05:49
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 11764
Hi,

you can change polyphony with "Ctrl+Alt+P" (PC), or "Apple+alt+P" on a Mac.
This will tax your CPU more, but you won´t get any dropouts Smile
Simply enter the number of voices you´d like to have available (-1 is default. 160=160 voices).

Best,

Paul
Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, Apr 04 2007 07:50
by Christian Marcussen
Joined on Mon, Nov 10 2003, Posts 1508
Paul wrote:
Hi,

you can change polyphony with "Ctrl+Alt+P" (PC), or "Apple+alt+P" on a Mac.
This will tax your CPU more, but you won´t get any dropouts Smile
Simply enter the number of voices you´d like to have available (-1 is default. 160=160 voices).

Best,

Paul


?!? Is this a joke, or for real?

Where do you type this? Can you do it with the VST or only standalone?
Posted on Wed, Apr 04 2007 10:52
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9075
AFAIK you should enter _only_ this multiples of 64:128, 192, 256
christian
and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Wed, Apr 04 2007 11:31
by Sapkiller
Joined on Tue, Nov 05 2002, Copenhagen - Denmark, Posts 394
cm wrote:
AFAIK you should enter _only_ this multiples of 64:128, 192, 256
christian


Supprised to learn that you can up the polophony - Paul only mentions Mac -Can you do this on PC too?
Best regards
Bjarne

"Keep your head cool and your heart warm"
Posted on Wed, Apr 04 2007 11:59
by nliberg
Joined on Fri, Dec 02 2005, Posts 232
Sapkiller wrote:
Supprised to learn that you can up the polophony - Paul only mentions Mac -Can you do this on PC too?

You must have missed the part where Paul said "you can change polyphony with 'Ctrl+Alt+P" (PC)'.
Posted on Wed, Apr 04 2007 16:30
by Sapkiller
Joined on Tue, Nov 05 2002, Copenhagen - Denmark, Posts 394
nliberg wrote:
Sapkiller wrote:
Supprised to learn that you can up the polophony - Paul only mentions Mac -Can you do this on PC too?

You must have missed the part where Paul said "you can change polyphony with 'Ctrl+Alt+P" (PC)'.


oh - yes I did. Just saw the word Mac Big Smile
Best regards
Bjarne

"Keep your head cool and your heart warm"
Posted on Wed, Apr 04 2007 18:07
by stevesong
Joined on Mon, Oct 18 2004, NYC, Posts 714
Curious what the default of "-1" means.... I'd love to know...
Stephen Siegel
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Posted on Wed, Apr 04 2007 18:09
by Christian Marcussen
Joined on Mon, Nov 10 2003, Posts 1508
I guess it means the default 64 voice polyphony that the VI has - or isn't that what you mean?
Posted on Wed, Apr 04 2007 19:46
by stevesong
Joined on Mon, Oct 18 2004, NYC, Posts 714
That's my guess too, but since you can also set polyphony to 64 voices, I am not absolutely certain.
Stephen Siegel
New York City

MacPro (4.1) dual-quad Xeon @ 2.9.3 Ghz
24GB RAM; OS 10.8.5
2 960 GB OWC E2 Mercury Accelsior SSDs one dedicated to samples and the other partitioned into a partition for samples and a part ion for apps and files.
MOTU 2408 MK III (PCIe)

MacBook Pro with 2.5Ghz Core 2 Duo
4GB RAM; OS 10.8.5
MOTU 828
Firmtek/Seritek 2SM2-E Express Card SATA adapter.

Logic 9.1.6.; Finale 2011
Posted on Wed, Apr 04 2007 20:45
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 11764
Hi,

"-1" is simply the default setting, don´t let it confuse you (=64 voices). When you enter 128, 164 you get exactly that polyphony Smile

And you simply press the given key combination when the given Bösendorfer Vienna Instrument is selected.

Best,

Paul
Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Apr 05 2007 07:49
by Christian Marcussen
Joined on Mon, Nov 10 2003, Posts 1508
Has anyone succeeded with this? Does a window pop-up where you can type this stuff, or is it all "behind the scenes". When I hit CTRL-ALT-P nothing happens. I'm not using stand alone btw...

Any details?
Posted on Thu, Apr 05 2007 11:24
by Steve99
Joined on Wed, Sep 21 2005, Posts 17
Polyphony is fine. Make sure:

1. You set the host program to use the soundcard driver as opposed to as opposed to Directx or software driver
2. Make sure the buffer settings on the soundcard are correct.
3. Use the polyphony Ctrl+Alt+P or apple equivalent.
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