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8 bars of "Vertigo" using Vienna.....
Last post Sun, May 27 2007 by svonkampen, 13 replies.
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Posted on Thu, May 03 2007 03:03
by svonkampen
Joined on Wed, Jan 05 2005, San Diego, California, Posts 828
Ok here it goes .....8 bars of Vertigo....using Vienna Apass Violins and Vienna Clarinets

(stage noiz from maarten)

I'm excited...the autoload, I have been working on perfecting for the last 3 years is really paying off now....

Years of referencing real recordings for eq (lots of subtractive Eqing!), space, etc....balancing

It's all working now!.........

Here it goes,

Click on "Bernie_Test.mp3" (5th from top)

SvK

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Posted on Thu, May 03 2007 04:06
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5608
That sounds great. I love that score and have all the soundtrack albums on LP and CD, and the recent Joel McNeely recording as well as all the recordings of the suite excerpts. Too bad you can't do the whole thing without copyright problems, as this sounds practically perfect.
Posted on Thu, May 03 2007 04:16
by svonkampen
Joined on Wed, Jan 05 2005, San Diego, California, Posts 828
William thanx!

The reason..I used this score is because the individual instruments are really exposed...allowing me to get my presets sounding just right for my own music......

What I mean to say is.........Time and time again, I'll write a part, and discard it, thinking that it's no good, but that wasn't the case at all, it was that the eqing, and sound were off.......so by recreating, and match eqing, the sections to the mcneely score, gives me piece of mind....and now i can just write!!!

This has taken years......but I'm almost there now.

All I have left to do is the bassoons. ( I will use the exposed Bassoons from the Boulez recording of Bartok's Concerto for Orchestra as a reference )

SvK
I once thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.
MacPro 2x3Ghz Dual-Core Intel Xeon, 16 Gig RAM, 10.6.2, Metric Halo 2882, Logic 9
Posted on Thu, May 03 2007 17:57
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5608
Interesting how you are using the McNeely recording as a guide for EQ, as I think that is one of the best sounding recordings I've ever heard in the clarity but also rich sound of the instruments. It is one of the best soundtrack music recordings ever done, without a doubt. And the strings sound so great in that recording - a perfect "appassionata" type sound with a lot of espressivo and portamento, etc.

Also, on that recording the woodwinds have an extremely beautiful sound - the oboe and clarinet soli are flawlessly played and have a dark, lustrous timbre that fits the music beautifully. On the restored version of the film, they re-recorded the sound FX but did not use this new recording. I was disturbed by that. Because Bernard Herrrmann did NOT record the original. It was farmed out to another conductor/orchestra (Muir Mathiessen), due to a union strike, and the original soundtrack is mediocre in performance quality. Unlike Herrmann's conducting of his own scores, which was always great. Though he pissed off a lot of orchestras later in his life, he was a great conductor of his scores in the actual film post-productions. What were those restoration guys thinking? I feel that if you are going to completely replace all the sound effects, it makes little sense to keep a farmed-out mediocre performance of the single greatest music score ever written for a movie.
Posted on Fri, May 04 2007 10:29
by PaulR
Joined on Mon, Dec 22 2003, England, Posts 2370
William wrote:
Because Bernard Herrrmann did NOT record the original. It was farmed out to another conductor/orchestra (Muir Mathiessen), due to a union strike, and the original soundtrack is mediocre in performance quality.


That's right - if Herrmann had conducted Vertigo - especially the opening title, which arguably is the greatest opening title to a film ever. it may have been quite a bit slower.

Very nice sound svon - although I was expecting the opening title figure. Stop calling Herrmann - Bernie btw. No one called him Bernie. Benny or Bernard.
Posted on Fri, May 04 2007 17:10
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5608
Almost any section of this score (aside from the Sequoia sequence - a fantastic use of alternating muted brass and woodwind ensemble) would make a great string demo. But the ultimate Appassionata demo would be the love theme heard fully only near the end of the film when Madeleine is "reborn." That is a tremendous romantic yet modern use of strings. It has been compared to the Liebestod of Wagner, but is as great a piece of music in its own right. In fact, it is probable that this score is the best film score. The fact that it is for a film that is consistently considered one of the ten greatest ever made certainly doesn't hurt either...
Posted on Fri, May 04 2007 18:25
by svonkampen
Joined on Wed, Jan 05 2005, San Diego, California, Posts 828
PaulR wrote:
William wrote:
Stop calling Herrmann - Bernie btw. No one called him Bernie. Benny or Bernard.


Bennie, Ben, Ben with a friggin' cherry on top! Wink

SvK
I once thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.
MacPro 2x3Ghz Dual-Core Intel Xeon, 16 Gig RAM, 10.6.2, Metric Halo 2882, Logic 9
Posted on Sat, May 05 2007 03:49
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5608
I did not write that, though Paul is right. That recalcitrant Limey is usually right. Like most of his countrymen. He is very irritable right now, so don't get on his bad side. [Indifferent] Ever seen "The Limey"? They can be mean...
Posted on Tue, May 08 2007 09:58
by PaulR
Joined on Mon, Dec 22 2003, England, Posts 2370
William wrote:
I did not write that, though Paul is right. That recalcitrant Limey is usually right. Like most of his countrymen. He is very irritable right now, so don't get on his bad side. [Indifferent] Ever seen "The Limey"? They can be mean...


Yeah - that's right. So watch out Svon or I'll have you decorating my house.

Big Smile
Posted on Tue, May 08 2007 18:55
by svonkampen
Joined on Wed, Jan 05 2005, San Diego, California, Posts 828
I've got great taste in furniture

SvK
I once thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.
MacPro 2x3Ghz Dual-Core Intel Xeon, 16 Gig RAM, 10.6.2, Metric Halo 2882, Logic 9
Posted on Wed, May 09 2007 16:02
by clarkcontrol
Joined on Mon, May 03 2004, The Pagan Underground, Posts 315
SvK,

You did a lovely job on my bathroom. Thank you. The colors you picked are faaabulous.

Concerning your eq:

I DL'd the curves you had for the Pro Ed. strings and I didn't know if you used them on all the pro string articulations, not just the sus or perf_leg patches.

Sorry for the OT direction, but this might clarify for me your approach with the App. strings. Oh, and I appreciate your work on the flute filter stuff, too.

Clark
Clark
Posted on Thu, May 24 2007 15:58
by Greg Guillaume
Joined on Mon, Dec 12 2005, Posts 5
It's only 8 bars but I like them! Did you play with the fader volume for the strings section or did you use some specific samples from the Vienna ?
Posted on Sun, May 27 2007 19:10
by svonkampen
Joined on Wed, Jan 05 2005, San Diego, California, Posts 828
Greg,

thanx.....


Strings,

Apassionata....Velocity crossfader switched "On" and assigned to "Mod-Wheel"

SvK
I once thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.
MacPro 2x3Ghz Dual-Core Intel Xeon, 16 Gig RAM, 10.6.2, Metric Halo 2882, Logic 9
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