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legato instruments sustain issues
Last post Mon, Jul 16 2007 by jbm, 7 replies.
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Posted on Mon, Jun 25 2007 05:23
by serialmusique
Joined on Thu, Jun 08 2006, Santa Monica California, Posts 22
I've been having serious problems with the legato instruments in the solo strings library (all legato instruments in fact). It seems that there is no consistency of note lengths with notes triggered at the same velocity.
For example, while trying to create a succession of pitches of equal duration (5 seconds) at a soft dynamic, the notes never last a consistent length. Even if I cut and past identical pitches on after the other, their durations vary.
I've tried every way I know to get these to be the same. AHH!
Thanks for your help!
Matthew McGaughey
Posted on Mon, Jul 16 2007 12:44
by luces
Joined on Tue, Apr 03 2007, Posts 47
Ahhh. I have been having the SAME problem! I have only been using Solo Strings for a few days and I thought maybe it was just me not properly utilizing the interface,but after HOURS of messing about, I am still having this exact problem. Actually my durations have been less than 3 seconds!

Any other Solo Strings users having a similar issue,or perhaps you might have some suggestions on a work around.

The only work around I have discovered is to run another instance of VI and split up the notes to trigger VI alternately. This only works about 50% of the time!

Any gurus available?

luces
Posted on Mon, Jul 16 2007 13:00
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608
If the notes are too short, you have three options:

1) Use a sustain note instead.
2) Quickly crossfade to a sustain after the transition note.
3) Retrigger the note just before it runs out.

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Posted on Mon, Jul 16 2007 13:02
by herb
Joined on Mon, Aug 05 2002, Posts 4614
The sustains of the solostrings are performed without a bowchange, therefor they are no longer.
If you retrigger a dedicated note (without a gap) befor the note is finished, you will get a natural legato bowchange repetition sample.

best
Herb
Posted on Mon, Jul 16 2007 13:25
by jbm
Joined on Fri, Jan 16 2004, Posts 1150
Hey Folks,

Although I've never actually come across this problem (even though I'm a *huge* fan of the solo strings VIs, and get a lot of use out of them) it seems to me you should be using a regular "long notes" articulation, rather than the legato instruments for these long notes that are giving you trouble. As you'd discover searching around the forum a little more, the legato instruments really aren't designed for playing long notes, their primary role is to provide the sampled legato transition. I think the "separated" notes from the legato patches are taken from the repetition articulations/samples, so they probably aren't as long as the sustained long notes, but I'm not certain. So if you've got separate long notes, I'd try a perf-rep_legato, and if that doesn't work, try the "sus" long notes (the progressive vib one is *hot*, IMO).

The lack of "consistency" in notes is probably due to the alternations pre-programmed into the VIs for "separated" notes on the legato instruments. I've never noticed them being different lengths, mind you, but I'd imagine that's what you're hearing.

I know this could be irritating if you're an experienced orchestrator, so skip this if you are...
But on a general orchestration note, keep in mind that if your dynamic is forte, or better, you probably will never get a 5 second note at all (without rebowing)... the bow's not long enough! Wink Single, soft notes can be held much longer than loud notes. So, unless the sample has the rebow included, which some do (*very* cool, IMO), then your forte notes won't sustain as long, under a single bow, as your piano notes. I tend to compose in a way that's very bowing conscious, so I just don't come up against note duration problems (which is probably why I haven't noticed yet, in several months of solo string VI use). But one trick for getting around this note-length issue, provided it is related to dynamics, might be to use separate controllers for selecting the dynamic of the sample (normally assigned to noteon velocity) and the actual volume. This way, you could be playing the p, or mp sample, but at an ff volume. This isn't a great option, IMO, because you'll get the wrong colour out of the instrument, but it seems to me I've heard of people doing this. Personally, I'd track down that sustain articulation with the rebows recorded... wish I could remember which it is... You'll know when you find it though, because you'll actually hear the rebows appearing as you go up in dynamic. Yum. Reality: you gotta love it!

Anyway, just some thoughts. Hope this helps.

J.
Posted on Mon, Jul 16 2007 13:26
by jbm
Joined on Fri, Jan 16 2004, Posts 1150
hehe... doh!

I obviously spent waaaay too much time writing that reply! Everybody beat me to it.

Verbose fool that I am...

J.
Posted on Mon, Jul 16 2007 13:32
by jbm
Joined on Fri, Jan 16 2004, Posts 1150
herb wrote:
The sustains of the solostrings are performed without a bowchange, therefor they are no longer.
If you retrigger a dedicated note (without a gap) befor the note is finished, you will get a natural legato bowchange repetition sample.

best
Herb


Oh, hey. That's great! I didn't actually realize that... I've probably been hearing it though, already, as I tend to conceive of my parts with bow changes "built-in", and write them in as such (i.e., avoiding the use of ties just for making long notes). Control freak. Wink

J.
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