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LOGIC 8, LOGIC STUDIO Just Released!
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Posted on Wed, Sep 12 2007 13:01
by JWL
Joined on Sun, Jul 20 2003, Posts 1274
http://www.apple.com/logicstudio/logicpro/#interface

Looks like there are some MAJOR improvements!!
Tags: Apple Logic
Posted on Wed, Sep 12 2007 13:31
by Musicmaster
Joined on Tue, Feb 18 2003, Austria - Linz, Posts 144
Seems as it won't solve all problems:

"Internal audio resolution: 32-bit floating point; 64-bit precision where required".

This might be a sign for 64-bit capabilities, but somehow I doubt on it ...
What's sure: 64-bit audio will require more computational expense. But, ok - might be obvious.

Confused

Verdict: Overall a BIG disappointment!
Posted on Wed, Sep 12 2007 13:46
by Roberto D.
Joined on Thu, Dec 02 2004, Posts 188
Will the Performance Tool and Pro/Horizon continue to work in Logic Studio?
Posted on Wed, Sep 12 2007 14:35
by Roberto D.
Joined on Thu, Dec 02 2004, Posts 188
Coqui wrote:
Will the Performance Tool and Pro/Horizon continue to work in Logic Studio?


YES/NO/CANCEL?

Confused
Posted on Wed, Sep 12 2007 14:41
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9146
i couldn't find the thread, but suppose martin posted that the performance tool will work also with the next version of logic.
for details about if and how to authorize it considering there seems to be no longer an XSkey i am waiting for a reply from apple.
christian
and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
Posted on Wed, Sep 12 2007 14:45
by Roberto D.
Joined on Thu, Dec 02 2004, Posts 188
cm wrote:
i couldn't find the thread, but suppose martin posted that the performance tool will work also with the next version of logic.
for details about if and how to authorize it considering there seems to be no longer an XSkey i am waiting for a reply from apple.
christian

Martin answered affirmatively.

I'm concerned about the news regarding the XSkey.
Posted on Wed, Sep 12 2007 16:12
by Simsy
Joined on Mon, May 21 2007, Posts 385
Sorry, I don't really know much about computers and so I appologise for the stupid question!!!

But, does this mean that logic 8 is 64bit and can therefore access more than 4GB of RAM when leopard arrives?
Posted on Wed, Sep 12 2007 16:40
by timkiel
Joined on Fri, Jun 06 2003, Posts 629
Maybe I am being thick but I'm not a Logic user, so perhaps someone can help me out.

Under one of the new features it talks about distributed audio processing technology which "allows you to harness the processing power of multiple computers on a network, providing virtually limitless plug-in processing power."

Does this mean we can use some magic in Logic 8 and link up all our mac mini farms running VSL ala FX Teleport?

TIA
Tim
MacbookPro M1 Pro Max 32GB, Logic 10.7.3 (Rosetta Mode)
Posted on Wed, Sep 12 2007 16:48
by mosso
Joined on Thu, Jun 23 2005, London, England, Posts 376
Musicmaster wrote:
Seems as it won't solve all problems:

"Internal audio resolution: 32-bit floating point; 64-bit precision where required".

This might be a sign for 64-bit capabilities, but somehow I doubt on it ...
What's sure: 64-bit audio will require more computational expense. But, ok - might be obvious.

Confused

Verdict: Overall a BIG disappointment!


I'm not sure why you're disappointed about that - 32-bit audio resolution surely refers to bit depth of the audio stream, not whether the app will run with a 64-bit OS (and be able to use the RAM improvements that come with it). Don't forget - audio coming out of the VI's is at 24-bit.

M
Martin Thornton
<a href="http://www.mosso.co.uk/" target="_blank">www.mosso.co.uk</a>
Posted on Wed, Sep 12 2007 16:52
by Dom
Joined on Sat, Nov 13 2004, London, Posts 224
timkiel wrote:
Does this mean we can use some magic in Logic 8 and link up all our mac mini farms running VSL ala FX Teleport?

I don't think you will be able to. Basically node operation is as before but third party AU EFFECTS (not instruments) have been added.

The Logic 8 New Features document is helpful:
http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/New_Features_in_Logic_Pro_8.pdf

And also the Late Breaking News:
http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/Logic_Pro_8.0_lbn_z.pdf

Dom
Posted on Wed, Sep 12 2007 17:02
by mosso
Joined on Thu, Jun 23 2005, London, England, Posts 376
Dom wrote:
timkiel wrote:
Does this mean we can use some magic in Logic 8 and link up all our mac mini farms running VSL ala FX Teleport?

I don't think you will be able to. Basically node operation is as before but third party AU EFFECTS (not instruments) have been added.

The Logic 8 New Features document is helpful:
http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/New_Features_in_Logic_Pro_8.pdf

And also the Late Breaking News:
http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/Logic_Pro_8.0_lbn_z.pdf

Dom


Shame - I would've liked to see FX Teleport-like functionality from Logic Node on this upgrade. Never mind...

M
Martin Thornton
<a href="http://www.mosso.co.uk/" target="_blank">www.mosso.co.uk</a>
Posted on Wed, Sep 12 2007 17:03
by timkiel
Joined on Fri, Jun 06 2003, Posts 629
In the manual it says (page 100)

Distributed audio processing allows you to expand the processing capacity of your Logic Pro system. It does this by offloading calculations for software instruments or effects to additional Macintosh Node computers, connected via Gigabit Ethernet. This is perfect when using numerous instances of CPU-intensive software synthesizers or effects, such as Sculpture or Space Designer.

Am I getting over excited?

UPDATE: On reading further it has this somewhat weird caveat:

What Can’t Be Processed on a Node
The Node buttons are available for all audio and software instrument tracks. There are,however, some exceptions:

Audio Unit software instruments: When an Audio Unit software instrument track is selected, the Node button is automatically turned off.

So what's the difference between a software instrument track and an AU software instrument track?
MacbookPro M1 Pro Max 32GB, Logic 10.7.3 (Rosetta Mode)
Posted on Wed, Sep 12 2007 17:14
by steff3
Joined on Thu, Nov 13 2003, Posts 268
Logic own instruments can go to nodes (not sampler, not multi-outs).

Also curious about the performance tool under dongle-less Logic ....

best
Posted on Wed, Sep 12 2007 17:50
by Musicmaster
Joined on Tue, Feb 18 2003, Austria - Linz, Posts 144
Guess this calms our tempers a bit:

Taken from the "Logic Studio & Effects" manual (downloadable on Apple's support site):

"Using the VSL Performance Tool
The EXS24 mkII features an additional interface for the Vienna Symphonic Library Performance Tool. The Performance Tool software provided by VSL needs to be installed to allow access to this interface. For details please refer to the VSL documentation."

From my point of view, it seems that the current version of the PT will work with Logic 8. I wouldn't be surprised ... after nearly nothing has changed on the EXS itself.

All the best,
Hans-Peter
Posted on Wed, Sep 12 2007 17:54
by Simsy
Joined on Mon, May 21 2007, Posts 385
Hi,

Sorry to repeat myself, but I am still confused!!

But, does this mean that logic 8 is 64bit and can therefore access more than 4GB of RAM when leopard arrives? Surpriseops:
Posted on Wed, Sep 12 2007 18:02
by Roberto D.
Joined on Thu, Dec 02 2004, Posts 188
Musicmaster wrote:
From my point of view, it seems that the current version of the PT will work with Logic 8. I wouldn't be surprised ... after nearly nothing has changed on the EXS itself.

That's better.

I've recently spent 1.422 € for the Pro Edition: have I got it across?

Confused
Posted on Wed, Sep 12 2007 18:07
by Musicmaster
Joined on Tue, Feb 18 2003, Austria - Linz, Posts 144
Quote:

I'm not sure why you're disappointed about that - 32-bit audio resolution surely refers to bit depth of the audio stream, not whether the app will run with a 64-bit OS (and be able to use the RAM improvements that come with it). Don't forget - audio coming out of the VI's is at 24-bit.


Well, a 64-bit audio-application has to recalculate the 32-bit audio stream compared to a natively working 32-bit app. Therefor it might be a good sign when 64-bit audio capabilities are integrated. I just wonder why Apple pre-configured Logic for 32-bit streams as it would cost a lot more CPU.
(So that's my technical knowledge, which is limited though. If something's wrong, maybe Christian could shed some light in.)

Apart from this I haven't found anything about 64-bit at the user's manual (even not internal precision related).

Hope that makes my points understandable.

All the best,
Hans-Peter
Posted on Wed, Sep 12 2007 18:13
by Musicmaster
Joined on Tue, Feb 18 2003, Austria - Linz, Posts 144
Quote:
But, does this mean that logic 8 is 64bit and can therefore access more than 4GB of RAM when leopard arrives? Surpriseops:


Good question ... the answer is: We don't know yet but it looks like Logic is still coded in 32-bit. That's why we won't see any improvements regarding RAM-usage probably.

Nevertheless I hope being wrong.

All the best,
Hans-Peter
Posted on Wed, Sep 12 2007 20:03
by steff3
Joined on Thu, Nov 13 2003, Posts 268
well, it would be great if we would not need the dongle anymore for the PT now .... - no dongle protection would be great (the other PTs are also not protected by a dongle .... K2 is not protected at all .....)

Best
Posted on Wed, Sep 12 2007 20:12
by cm
Joined on Fri, Dec 20 2002, vienna, Posts 9146
Quote:
it would be great if we would not need the dongle anymore for the PT now
of course you understand we wouldn't find it as great as someone else ... besides another re-write of the installation manual ...
christian
and remember: a CRAY is the only computer that runs an endless loop in just four hours ...
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