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Last post Mon, Oct 29 2007 by gives, 29 replies.
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Posted on Sun, Sep 23 2007 06:04
by magates
Joined on Thu, Aug 14 2003, Los Angeles CA, Posts 484
HOURS:
Night Job (6pm+, flexible, we'll work around busy schedules)
2-7 days a week (3+ and/or weekends preferred)

DUTIES:
Dependent on experience and capabilities, could include:
Orchestral Recording Sessions
Music preparation
Scores, Parts, Prelays, Media, Proofreading
Studio Recording
Additional Score Supervision (ie: Listening for mistakes)
Music Librarian / Manuscript Coordinator
Conducting
Post
Cataloging of takes
Preperation for Music Editing
Rough Preview Mixing (Pro Tools, etc)
Possible Ghostwriting
Software (Macintosh)
Finale
Sibelius
Pro Tools
Logic
Internet (GoLive, iWeb)
Pre-Composition
Attending Spotting Sessions (Taking notes, etc)
Preparing Templates (Sounds, Manuscript, etc)
Creating Timing Notes (Hit points, markers)
Office
Business Software (Word, Excel, etc)
Email Marketing
Research

People find you energetic, an organizer, a perfectionist / detail-oriented,
having excellent communication skills, even-tempered, ambitious, creative,
talented, gifted, intelligent, sharp / quick, functions under pressure.

COMPENSATION:
Unpaid internship.

MUST BE WITHIN COMMUTING DISTANCE OF THE WEST VALLEY AREA AND READY TO BEGIN IMMEDIATELY.

EMAIL RESUME IN PDF FORM TO magates at gmail dot com
Posted on Sun, Sep 23 2007 11:23
by DG
Joined on Wed, May 12 2004, Posts 8608

Sounds like child abuse to me. Angry

DG

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Posted on Sun, Sep 23 2007 16:54
by magates
Joined on Thu, Aug 14 2003, Los Angeles CA, Posts 484
I see it as an opportunity as I am sure do many others. I guess we just have different perspectives.
Posted on Tue, Sep 25 2007 19:00
by PaulR
Joined on Mon, Dec 22 2003, England, Posts 2370
I got to tell you Matt I just this day started working on orchestrations for approximately 16 minutes of orchestral music to be recorded in America after a very long lay off from music.

When I read your advert I just had to laugh. I thought you'd posted it as a joke - not realizing it was serious.
Posted on Tue, Sep 25 2007 19:18
by Guy Bacos
Joined on Sun, Jan 16 2005, Quebec, Canada, Posts 1993
Seems to me if you're that qualified you could surely find work elsewhere that pays money. As for me I don't think I'll ever be that qualified....
Posted on Tue, Sep 25 2007 21:49
by Angelo Clematide
Joined on Thu, Sep 08 2005, Posts 1139
magates wrote:
HOURS:
Night Job (6pm+, flexible, we'll work around busy schedules)
2-7 days a week (3+ and/or weekends preferred)

DUTIES:
Dependent on experience and capabilities, could include:
Orchestral Recording Sessions
Music preparation
Scores, Parts, Prelays, Media, Proofreading
Studio Recording
Additional Score Supervision (ie: Listening for mistakes)
Music Librarian / Manuscript Coordinator
Conducting
Post
Cataloging of takes
Preperation for Music Editing
Rough Preview Mixing (Pro Tools, etc)
Possible Ghostwriting
Software (Macintosh)
Finale
Sibelius
Pro Tools
Logic
Internet (GoLive, iWeb)
Pre-Composition
Attending Spotting Sessions (Taking notes, etc)
Preparing Templates (Sounds, Manuscript, etc)
Creating Timing Notes (Hit points, markers)
Office
Business Software (Word, Excel, etc)
Email Marketing
Research

People find you energetic, an organizer, a perfectionist / detail-oriented,
having excellent communication skills, even-tempered, ambitious, creative,
talented, gifted, intelligent, sharp / quick, functions under pressure.

COMPENSATION:
Unpaid internship.

MUST BE WITHIN COMMUTING DISTANCE OF THE WEST VALLEY AREA AND READY TO BEGIN IMMEDIATELY.

EMAIL RESUME IN PDF FORM TO magates at gmail dot com

That's pretty much how the workflow is at a scoring stages in Los Angeles!

.

.

Posted on Tue, Sep 25 2007 22:08
by Guy Bacos
Joined on Sun, Jan 16 2005, Quebec, Canada, Posts 1993
I seriously doubt that. You got to have a pretty low self-estime to be crazy enough to work like a slave and not even get paid a penny!
Posted on Tue, Sep 25 2007 22:47
by Angelo Clematide
Joined on Thu, Sep 08 2005, Posts 1139

I meant the workflow, not the unpaid practical work placement, hire and fire we called that priciple.

The question is how fast a person who has the required talent will get paid. People working in this business are very fast in recognizing a talent. I started in 1981 pretty much like what megates posted, and was paid after a week. One of the biggest problem is finding qualified personal.

Posted on Tue, Sep 25 2007 22:59
by clarkcontrol
Joined on Mon, May 03 2004, The Pagan Underground, Posts 315

How fast indeed.

I for one am curious about the average time from internship to rent-paying status.  L.A. is not kind on the wallet.

Clark

Clark
Posted on Wed, Sep 26 2007 00:52
by Guy Bacos
Joined on Sun, Jan 16 2005, Quebec, Canada, Posts 1993
Hey Angelo, back in 1981 when you started the same way, I didn't know Pro tools, Logic, Finale, internet etc. all these computer software and hardware we sweat to learn existed back then....
Posted on Wed, Sep 26 2007 10:32
by Angelo Clematide
Joined on Thu, Sep 08 2005, Posts 1139
Guy wrote:
Hey Angelo, back in 1981 when you started the same way, I didn't know Pro tools, Logic, Finale, internet etc. all these computer software and hardware we sweat to learn existed back then....

Yes, right, back then we didn't had ProStools and the other creepy crap, that's one of the reasons why the music of that era sounds so bad, we had to play the stuff because it was simply impossible to store much intelligence on 64 KB of memory. I owned one of the first Linn Drum and worked with the Synclavier.

.

Posted on Wed, Sep 26 2007 12:38
by Angelo Clematide
Joined on Thu, Sep 08 2005, Posts 1139

Here a link to two videos of one composer and the studio folks who sleep 3 to 4 hour during production:

part 1

http://www.listal.com/video/210133

part 2

http://www.listal.com/video/210131

.

Posted on Wed, Sep 26 2007 21:05
by Guy Bacos
Joined on Sun, Jan 16 2005, Quebec, Canada, Posts 1993
Angelo (sorry, why do I call you Clematide?)

Those are really cool links!
Posted on Wed, Sep 26 2007 21:42
by JJP
Joined on Mon, Apr 28 2003, Burbank, CA USA, Posts 69

Just FYI, the schedule on that project was pretty extreme. Most projects aren't THAT frantic. JNH came in at the last minute after Shore's departure.

Those guys do get paid pretty well for working in situations like this.
Posted on Thu, Sep 27 2007 04:18
by Guy Bacos
Joined on Sun, Jan 16 2005, Quebec, Canada, Posts 1993
This part makes me laugh!! I'm surprised they didn't say: "you must be good looking with a great physique..."



magates wrote:
People find you energetic, an organizer, a perfectionist / detail-oriented,
having excellent communication skills, even-tempered, ambitious, creative,
talented, gifted, intelligent, sharp / quick, functions under pressure.

Posted on Thu, Sep 27 2007 08:38
by PaulR
Joined on Mon, Dec 22 2003, England, Posts 2370
These links and this film was extensively discussed when they came out. It basically shows a couple of things.

(a) John Newton Howard is a workhorse and very good filmscore writer and (b) why even try to remake King Kong unles you're mad? and (c) you can't polish a turd with filmscoring and all those extra people getting well paid and all the hours they put in - mistakenly thinking that the more work you do, the better the film will be.
Posted on Thu, Sep 27 2007 11:54
by Guy Bacos
Joined on Sun, Jan 16 2005, Quebec, Canada, Posts 1993
I enjoyed the links, thought they were cool, but of course thought they had absolutely NOTHING to do with the original post on this thread.
Posted on Fri, Oct 12 2007 02:04
by imusic
Joined on Mon, Nov 17 2003, Zürich, Los Angeles, Posts 34
well, I can say this offer shows the real world in LA !

best, imusic
Posted on Sun, Oct 21 2007 18:45
by garyeskow
Joined on Thu, May 11 2006, Woodstock, NY, Posts 63
Place me in the camp that finds this "offer" abusive.

Gary Eskow
Posted on Wed, Oct 24 2007 07:08
by ktnujynisis
Joined on Sun, Sep 16 2007, Posts 32
Hey. I know you guys got alot of funny feedback, but I'm interested. You never can learn too much you know? I'm a full time pianist, keyboard musician that just purchased a VSL set. I'm trying to get my feet wet in the L.A. film scene. If its not too late please email me. Thanks
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