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Last post Sun, Nov 21 2004 by laughingbear, 13 replies.
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Posted on Sun, Nov 14 2004 12:51
by laughingbear
Joined on Fri, Oct 03 2003, On the beach-Eire, Posts 80
Ahem Surpriseops: appologies if that was asked before.... I am wondering if there is a chance that we will see a sampled Grand from the VSL team any time soon.... I mean come on....

The Instrument of instruments Confused: [Wink]
thx
rgds
~^..^~
Bear
Posted on Sun, Nov 14 2004 16:20
by Ackerdemiker
Joined on Thu, Oct 28 2004, Germany, Posts 40
hi, don´twait, just buy the Ivory Grands...

really really good... I normaly use a Steinway A in my studio, but now I think I will use more the Ivory...smile... it´s not only a simulation, it´s really really good... (and everytime well tempered Wink)
Mac Pro 8x3,0 16GB, 2TB, Macbook Pro Retina 2.7 768GB 16GB VSL Instruments Pro/ Vienna Ensemble Pro
Posted on Mon, Nov 15 2004 03:30
by laughingbear
Joined on Fri, Oct 03 2003, On the beach-Eire, Posts 80
Hi Ackerdemiker....

Interesting opinion! I was wondering about that newbiw as well.... How about the system you are running it on? I mean I have a fairly old 2.4 Ghz with 1 Gig Ram, but if that would be suitable enough for playing classics, this would be interesting.

I doubt though that I would let the dust settle on a Steinway A in favourite of a plugin, I can not imagine somehow that Scriabins vers la flame would work.... then again I might be totally wrong....

Having said that.... if you drop your Steinway.... I catch it.... [Wink]
thx
rgds
~^..^~
Bear
Posted on Tue, Nov 16 2004 15:00
by Gabriel Plalame
Joined on Thu, Feb 27 2003, Frogs eater country., Posts 155
I don’t expect from VSL such a library.

For two reasons : they already exist. ( http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12028&highlight=Piano+list )

And there is no legato work to achieve with a piano...



A choir.

We need a choir. In my opinion.

But this is probably a nightmare to do such a work... I wouldn’t be the developer who take the decision to sample a legato choir...

...insomnia, divorce, psychiatric hospital, bankrupt, and then prison.
The French dyslexic who speaks badly English.

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Asus Prime Z270-K | Intel I5-7600 3,5GHz | Gskill DDR4 | Samsung SSD 960 EVO 500Go M2 2280 NVME x2 + 3 other SSDs | RME HDSP 9652 | Windows 10 pro x64 | Synchron Pianos 1.1.1413 | Samplitude X4 / X5 Suite...
Posted on Wed, Nov 17 2004 10:48
by Laurent
Joined on Thu, Sep 05 2002, Paris, Posts 337
Ivory is very good, but has only 8 different velocities.
For now into Logic 7, only the bounce in real time work (off time will produce some silences as if the virtual Ivory memory could not work in that mode).
But the guys working on it are really nice and helpfull.
Posted on Wed, Nov 17 2004 11:15
by Christian Marcussen
Joined on Mon, Nov 10 2003, Posts 1508
Quote:
insomnia, divorce, psychiatric hospital, bankrupt, and then prison.

Bankrupt - hardly.And only prison if they dont do it Big Smile
Posted on Wed, Nov 17 2004 12:29
by Peter Brown
Joined on Fri, Jan 31 2003, Posts 231
Crystal wrote:
I don’t expect from VSL such a library.

...there is no legato work to achieve with a piano...


true, but I'm yet to see a digital piano or sampled piano that can handle string harmonics, such as the ones used in Bartok's Mikrokosmos. Hold down a note or cluster, without allowing it to speak - and then strike (staccato) related notes elsewhere on the keyboard. The undamped strings will resonate in sympathy. Pretty cool, but hard to record.

That I'd like to see...

PB
Posted on Wed, Nov 17 2004 12:32
by Laurent
Joined on Thu, Sep 05 2002, Paris, Posts 337
would love to have that one one day !
Sure it will be done in the next few years
Posted on Wed, Nov 17 2004 13:42
by Gabriel Plalame
Joined on Thu, Feb 27 2003, Frogs eater country., Posts 155
Quote:

The undamped strings will resonate in sympathy. Pretty cool, but hard to record


Can we just record that feature ? Combinations seem just...

Infinite.

First the soft player needs to detect all qualified un-muted notes (strings free), and then deduce all harmonics from all possible keys, or combinations of keys...

Talking about nightmare, you beat me Peter... I give up.

I won’t compete...


I see it more like a specific processing engine to achieve this, based on samples or not.

Probably not so unthinkable...
The French dyslexic who speaks badly English.

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Posted on Wed, Nov 17 2004 17:20
by Nick Batzdorf
Joined on Tue, Apr 29 2003, Los Angeles, Posts 2546
Quote:
I mean I have a fairly old 2.4 Ghz with 1 Gig Ram, but if that would be suitable enough for playing classics, this would be interesting.


Just to let you know, Ivory is for Mac only right now.
Mac Pro 5,1 12-core 3.46 GHz, 64MB RAM, latest macOS available. Metric Halo 2882 interface.

VisionDAW Windows 7 Pro i7 950 3.07 4-core, 24GB RAM. Has an RME Hammerfall HDSP9632, but I just use VE Pro. Also several ancient P4 XP slaves, rarely used.
Posted on Wed, Nov 17 2004 18:45
by drew buchan
Joined on Sun, Nov 27 2005, Posts 243
Well theres a hell-uva a GROUP BUY going on at Northern Sounds at the moment, for the new 24bit, GS3 PMI Old Lady (Steinway, 1920's).

Its reached its upper discount tier, so you can pick it up right now for $80, instead of the normal RRP of $200.


Has the idea of a GROUP BUY discounting scheme ever been mooted here ??
You know ... if 80+ people sign up, offering a discount of 60% or so.
Posted on Sun, Nov 21 2004 23:37
by laughingbear
Joined on Fri, Oct 03 2003, On the beach-Eire, Posts 80
Peter Brown wrote:

true, but I'm yet to see a digital piano or sampled piano that can handle string harmonics, such as the ones used in Bartok's Mikrokosmos. Hold down a note or cluster, without allowing it to speak - and then strike (staccato) related notes elsewhere on the keyboard. The undamped strings will resonate in sympathy. Pretty cool, but hard to record.

That I'd like to see...

PB


Yeah, good one... Exactly... in that context.... did anyone around here ever play ona PROMEGA 3? I would love to know whether this comes closer to what Peter mentioned.... I mean with molecular modelling.... Confused ts ts... I mean physical modelling... well you know what I mean... I did not have a chance to play one, but I would really love to hear what some of you did think of it in comparison with sample libraries....

I think it was 256 polyphony on the promega, which alone is quiet nice, but question remains on harmonics and what they really achieved there....

(Hell, living on "the island" has it's disadvantages) [Wink] Big Smile
thx
rgds
~^..^~
Bear
Posted on Sun, Nov 21 2004 23:43
by laughingbear
Joined on Fri, Oct 03 2003, On the beach-Eire, Posts 80
drewbuchan wrote:

Has the idea of a GROUP BUY discounting scheme ever been mooted here ??
You know ... if 80+ people sign up, offering a discount of 60% or so.


I must admit, I never heard of such in terms of SW purchase, but sounds interesting.... however...60%? ...is that a real world figure? Hard to believe....
thx
rgds
~^..^~
Bear
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