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Posted on Thu, Dec 02 2004 21:59
by michael.matthews
Joined on Sat, Aug 23 2003, Montréal / Berlin, Posts 286
Hi:

Can one have more than 64 audio intruments in a Logic file? Is it possible to create multiple instances of EXS to increase the number of possible intruments? If so, how is this done?

If anyone could clarify this I would appreciate it.

Michael Matthews
Posted on Thu, Dec 02 2004 23:53
by JohnA
Joined on Fri, Mar 28 2003, Dartmouth, Canada, Posts 161
Hi Michael,

Are you running Logic 7?

If so you should have access to 128 EXS instances now.

The easiest way in my opinion is to copy your 64 existing Audio Objects and then re-assign them to Audio Instruments 65-128 and insert a new WXS instance in each one.
If anyone knows a way of doing this other than clicking on each one in turn it would be nice to know!

best,
John
best,
John
Posted on Fri, Dec 03 2004 15:39
by michael.matthews
Joined on Sat, Aug 23 2003, Montréal / Berlin, Posts 286
Hi John:

I JUST received my Logic 7 update (there was a shipping delay). I have not yet installed it, but this news will spur me on.

Did you have any difficulties with the upgrade?

Thanks and best wishes,

Michael
Posted on Fri, Dec 03 2004 15:48
by michael.matthews
Joined on Sat, Aug 23 2003, Montréal / Berlin, Posts 286
Hi again John:

I should have also asked: With 128 audio instruments, I assume that the environment has to be changed to use Finale as the sequencer to drive Logic 7. Is this simply a matter of more channel splitters, and possibly using layers in Finale to address additional channels?

Michael
Posted on Fri, Dec 03 2004 16:11
by JohnA
Joined on Fri, Mar 28 2003, Dartmouth, Canada, Posts 161
The upgrade was pretty smooth for me, but for some it has been a nightmare.
There was a thread on the LUG this week from George Leger III (I think it was) about versions 6 & 7 co-existing peacefully, so check that out.

In general L7 is an improvement over 6, but there are some new annoying quirks (eg sometimes one can copy/paste a SMPTE time from the transport window, sometimes not - great, I need this all the time as I'm scoring to picture right now)

If you're desperate to finish on a deadline I would consider sticking with 6 til the project's done.

best,
John
best,
John
Posted on Fri, Dec 03 2004 16:14
by JohnA
Joined on Fri, Mar 28 2003, Dartmouth, Canada, Posts 161
michael.matthews wrote:
I should have also asked: With 128 audio instruments, I assume that the environment has to be changed to use Finale as the sequencer to drive Logic 7. Is this simply a matter of more channel splitters, and possibly using layers in Finale to address additional channels?

Ar, I don't know about this because I don't think you can easily get more channels out of Finale - there are only 4 ports = 64 channels.
I don't think Layers will help either as they still address one or more of the same 64.
How many over 64 do you need?

best,
John
best,
John
Posted on Fri, Dec 03 2004 16:54
by JohnA
Joined on Fri, Mar 28 2003, Dartmouth, Canada, Posts 161
George Leger III

I quote from the LUG Digest:

On 12/1/04 6:35 PM, "ridil7" <> wrote:

G-5 1.8 Dual
1.5 gig mem
360 gig HD
896HD MOTO
1604 VLZ Mackie

Spectronics & Guitarrig crashed in Logic6. Upgraded to 7. Re installed
Atmoshphere's,
Guitarrig and RMX. Midi records fine for Atmosphere's and RMX. Guitarrig does
not
register. But more importantly now I can't seem to record ANY outside Audio (
guitar,
Triton Pro, vocals) And even stranger, RMX grooves won't record either. The
signal for
audio registers on the meter but will not record. I know it's got to be
something simple. I
have been working at this for a few weeks now very part time and I have
resorted to ask
for Help! Any one? Please!

Rich Diller
Citrus Groove



And I'll bet you just installed L7 over the L6 stuff. L7 worked like garbage
for me, until I did a series of things...


I hope it makes you Mac a stable as mine, which hasn't crashed in??? And
FYI, I have a UAD-1, Powercore, and about 171 AU plugin components being run
on my system, and some of them are betas..

Try this out...


After attempting to figure out the new Logic 7's methods of
using older settings file, I did this.

WARNING:I NON LONGER AM USING LOGIC 6. IF YOU DO THIS, IT MIGHT NOT WORK
PROPERLY! IT STILL WORKS FINE HERE THOUGH.

1) I moved my Logic 6 folder to the desktop

2) I deleted all Logic 6 prefs, including the setup assistants. ( Just put
them on the desktop for now.)

3) Install Logic 7

4) Made a copy of my Logic 6 "Sampler Instruments" folder, and my "Plug-in
Settings" folder, and placed them into my user / library / application
support / Logic folder. Logic 7 will now see them.

5) Made sure all my plugins were updated to the Logic 7 compatible versions.

6) Booted Logic. It will take a while for it to check out the AU's.

7) Logic's setup assistant opened up (if not, open it after Logic 7 has
booted up). Configured the settings to match my hardware and midi devices.

Cool Saved my file as my Autoload. If you have special layers, import them
into your new autoload now. Make sure the Autoload is saved in the "Song
Templates" folder in your Logic folder you saved you plugin settings into.

9) If you have any special key commands, import them from you old prefs
file.

10) Go through and change your Logic prefs, and Song prefs to the way you
want them. Don¹t forget to resave your file, or your autoload won¹t have
these new song prefs.

After doing this, Logic 7 runs perfect. I have not had one crash, and
everything works nicely. When I did my first install before doing these
steps, I couldn't figure out what goes where, and Logic 7 crashed more than
a few times.

My old Logic 6 folder is still on my desktop. I don¹t use it, and will more
than likely throw it away, but not just yet...

Hope this helps.

George

HTH,
John
best,
John
Posted on Fri, Dec 03 2004 17:59
by Nick Batzdorf
Joined on Tue, Apr 29 2003, Los Angeles, Posts 2546
Quote:
If anyone knows a way of doing this other than clicking on each one in turn it would be nice to know!


You can control-drag EXS instances in the Audio Configuration window.
Mac Pro 5,1 12-core 3.46 GHz, 64MB RAM, latest macOS available. Metric Halo 2882 interface.

VisionDAW Windows 7 Pro i7 950 3.07 4-core, 24GB RAM. Has an RME Hammerfall HDSP9632, but I just use VE Pro. Also several ancient P4 XP slaves, rarely used.
Posted on Fri, Dec 03 2004 19:02
by JohnA
Joined on Fri, Mar 28 2003, Dartmouth, Canada, Posts 161
Nick Batzdorf wrote:
You can control-drag EXS instances in the Audio Configuration window.

Yes, that's useful!
Do you have a tip for re-assigning the Audio Object to EXS Instrument 65 not 1, 66 not 2 etc, after copying?
It always looked as though the Apply Buffer Template to thing will do this but I have never been successful with that.

best,
John
edit - oops, forgot the word NEVER...
best,
John
Posted on Sat, Dec 04 2004 18:12
by michael.matthews
Joined on Sat, Aug 23 2003, Montréal / Berlin, Posts 286
JohnA wrote:
The upgrade was pretty smooth for me, but for some it has been a nightmare.
There was a thread on the LUG this week from George Leger III (I think it was) about versions 6 & 7 co-existing peacefully, so check that out.

In general L7 is an improvement over 6, but there are some new annoying quirks (eg sometimes one can copy/paste a SMPTE time from the transport window, sometimes not - great, I need this all the time as I'm scoring to picture right now)

If you're desperate to finish on a deadline I would consider sticking with 6 til the project's done.

best,
John


Thanks for the info, John. I do plan to wait until my current project is finished. I have been down that road before....

Michael
Posted on Sat, Dec 04 2004 18:16
by michael.matthews
Joined on Sat, Aug 23 2003, Montréal / Berlin, Posts 286
JohnA wrote:
michael.matthews wrote:
I should have also asked: With 128 audio instruments, I assume that the environment has to be changed to use Finale as the sequencer to drive Logic 7. Is this simply a matter of more channel splitters, and possibly using layers in Finale to address additional channels?

Ar, I don't know about this because I don't think you can easily get more channels out of Finale - there are only 4 ports = 64 channels.
I don't think Layers will help either as they still address one or more of the same 64.
How many over 64 do you need?

best,
John


Well, for the project that I am working on now, perhaps three or four more channels. But for the full orchestra piece that I am embarking on, I would ideally like the full 128 channels to be able to use performance samples, lots of percussion, etc...

Michael
Posted on Sat, Dec 04 2004 21:43
by JohnA
Joined on Fri, Mar 28 2003, Dartmouth, Canada, Posts 161
In that case I would do some editing in the EXS instruments to make one or more "super-percussion" instruments which contain many more sounds than eg just a triangle - sort of like a "Basic Percussion Set, but expanded with keyswitches
Then you have the hassle of letting Finale know how to talk to these new EXS instruments etc. but I really don't think you'll be getting more than 64 channels flowing from Finale to Logic anyhow.

Now that I'm thinking of it, surely it would be possible to create an EXS instrument to be a "virtual percussionist", using only instruments that the real player will actually be playing. You'd have to be careful to avoid simultaneous instruments accessed by different keyswitches though, but careful consideration of KS as opposed to range selection of sounds should work

Perhaps percussion is not the best place to be economising.
Have you looked at Evan Evans's expanded Violin instrument? You could load up pretty much EVERY Pro edition violin ens sound in 3 or 4 EXS instruments - it's a lot of keyswitching, but hey that's what computers are good at!

I'm planning to do this myself at the next computer upgrade (Spring 2005?), but maybe I can goad you into doing all the work and then sending me the files [Wink]

best,
John
best,
John
Posted on Sun, Dec 05 2004 05:10
by evan evans
Joined on Tue, Jun 17 2003, Hollywood, CA, Posts 2058
Logic 7 can do 128 EXS Instances? How? Can someone enlighten me?

THANKS!

Evan Evans
Evan Evans
Film Scoring Academy
http://filmscoring.academy
Posted on Sun, Dec 05 2004 05:46
by Nick Batzdorf
Joined on Tue, Apr 29 2003, Los Angeles, Posts 2546
There are now 128 Audio Instruments instead of 64, Evan.
Mac Pro 5,1 12-core 3.46 GHz, 64MB RAM, latest macOS available. Metric Halo 2882 interface.

VisionDAW Windows 7 Pro i7 950 3.07 4-core, 24GB RAM. Has an RME Hammerfall HDSP9632, but I just use VE Pro. Also several ancient P4 XP slaves, rarely used.
Posted on Sun, Dec 05 2004 05:51
by Nick Batzdorf
Joined on Tue, Apr 29 2003, Los Angeles, Posts 2546
JohnA, you can highlight a bunch of audio objects (channel strips) and assign them all to the same Device or Channel, but there's no way to assign them to successive Audio Instruments or Tracks at once. That would be useful, I agree.
Mac Pro 5,1 12-core 3.46 GHz, 64MB RAM, latest macOS available. Metric Halo 2882 interface.

VisionDAW Windows 7 Pro i7 950 3.07 4-core, 24GB RAM. Has an RME Hammerfall HDSP9632, but I just use VE Pro. Also several ancient P4 XP slaves, rarely used.
Posted on Sun, Dec 05 2004 16:55
by JohnA
Joined on Fri, Mar 28 2003, Dartmouth, Canada, Posts 161
Nick,
That would indeed be a fantastic time-saver!
I need this a lot actually.
Well, I feel less stupid for not knowing how to do it, since it seems it can't be done.

best,
John
best,
John
Posted on Sun, Dec 05 2004 17:17
by michael.matthews
Joined on Sat, Aug 23 2003, Montréal / Berlin, Posts 286
JohnA wrote:
In that case I would do some editing in the EXS instruments to make one or more "super-percussion" instruments which contain many more sounds than eg just a triangle - sort of like a "Basic Percussion Set, but expanded with keyswitches
Then you have the hassle of letting Finale know how to talk to these new EXS instruments etc. but I really don't think you'll be getting more than 64 channels flowing from Finale to Logic anyhow.

Now that I'm thinking of it, surely it would be possible to create an EXS instrument to be a "virtual percussionist", using only instruments that the real player will actually be playing. You'd have to be careful to avoid simultaneous instruments accessed by different keyswitches though, but careful consideration of KS as opposed to range selection of sounds should work

Perhaps percussion is not the best place to be economising.
Have you looked at Evan Evans's expanded Violin instrument? You could load up pretty much EVERY Pro edition violin ens sound in 3 or 4 EXS instruments - it's a lot of keyswitching, but hey that's what computers are good at!

I'm planning to do this myself at the next computer upgrade (Spring 2005?), but maybe I can goad you into doing all the work and then sending me the files [Wink]

best,
John



Thanks, John.

I will think about making new EXS super instruments. As a matter of fact I am just about to upgrade to a new dual 2.5 G5 with 4 MB RAM. It is there that I plan to install Logic 7 and then I will fiddle around with the 128 audio instruments. In the meantime I will write again to Make Music and ask them to expand the 64 midi channel limit of Finale. Would you be willing to do the same? They do log request numbers when making upgrade decisions.

Where would I find info on Evan Evans' expanded violin instument? I will do a search in the VSL forum, but please let me know if you have a link to info on this.

Best,

Michael
Posted on Sun, Dec 05 2004 17:34
by JohnA
Joined on Fri, Mar 28 2003, Dartmouth, Canada, Posts 161
This and other users instruments are on the "NEW unOfficial EXS24mkII VSL User File Exchange" accessed from the EXS24 Forum page.
(I can't figure out how to post a link to the page, sorry)

best,
John
best,
John
Posted on Sun, Dec 05 2004 17:38
by JohnA
Joined on Fri, Mar 28 2003, Dartmouth, Canada, Posts 161
Michael, do you know who to write to at MM to ask about more Ports?
I've had a miserable time in the past trying to request features. The response I usually got was "We don't understand your question" Angry

best,
John
best,
John
Posted on Sun, Dec 05 2004 18:06
by zgogor
Joined on Tue, Apr 22 2003, World, Posts 38
Hi,
to create more EXS24 just launch the " Logic Setup Assistant" or use the " create new tracks" function ( can't remembered where it is ! AudioMenu or Function ?)

m2bucks
ZgOgOr
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