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Quad G5 2.5Ghz = 10Ghz Machine
Last post Sat, Nov 26 2005 by thierry.ecuvillon, 63 replies.
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Posted on Mon, Oct 24 2005 18:02
by evan evans
Joined on Tue, Jun 17 2003, Hollywood, CA, Posts 2058
I got me one these puppies coming on November 15th. Apple's prices for upgrade elements are only about 10-20% more than street price, but none the less, to save about $400, I bought the RAM and SATA drives seperately. So my unit will be a 8GB machine with two 500GB Hitachi's.

On my current machine, a Dual 2.0Ghz G5 (=4Ghz) with 3.5GB Ram, I am running two Alitiverbs, 4 Legato Instruments, 45 EXS Instances some with as many as 15 multivelocity keyswitching layers, without any problem. What I hope to gain by the CPU and RAM boost is:

5 or 6 AltiVerb instances (making MIR obsolete or progressing too slow to keep up?)
10-15 Legato Instruments
60-70 EXS Instances

Around the end of November, I should have some words to post on the results.

Cheers,
Evan Evans
Evan Evans
Film Scoring Academy
http://filmscoring.academy
Posted on Mon, Oct 24 2005 19:57
by Nick Batzdorf
Joined on Tue, Apr 29 2003, Los Angeles, Posts 2546
EE, do you have Altiverb 5? They've really worked on the efficiency, and five or six instances shouldn't be any problem in your current machine.

However, you don't even need that many. What you do is use in-line early reflections Altiverb programs, turn off their tails, use the new positioning feature (front/back as well as l/r) to place the instruments, and bus them all to one (or maybe two) shared halls with the tails on and the early reflections off.

As I'm sure you know, the longer the IR, the more CPU gets used, and this kind of set-up is very efficient. The image is also really good.
Mac Pro 5,1 12-core 3.46 GHz, 64MB RAM, latest macOS available. Metric Halo 2882 interface.

VisionDAW Windows 7 Pro i7 950 3.07 4-core, 24GB RAM. Has an RME Hammerfall HDSP9632, but I just use VE Pro. Also several ancient P4 XP slaves, rarely used.
Posted on Mon, Oct 24 2005 22:31
by Happy Tree Friend
Joined on Wed, Oct 19 2005, Posts 92
evanevans wrote:
I got me one these puppies coming on November 15th. Apple's prices for upgrade elements are only about 10-20% more than street price, but none the less, to save about $400, I bought the RAM and SATA drives seperately. So my unit will be a 8GB machine with two 500GB Hitachi's.

On my current machine, a Dual 2.0Ghz G5 (=4Ghz) with 3.5GB Ram, I am running two Alitiverbs, 4 Legato Instruments, 45 EXS Instances some with as many as 15 multivelocity keyswitching layers, without any problem. What I hope to gain by the CPU and RAM boost is:

5 or 6 AltiVerb instances (making MIR obsolete or progressing too slow to keep up?)
10-15 Legato Instruments
60-70 EXS Instances


Are you sure, that logic even supports dual core CPUs?
Because if it doesn't, your arithmetic wouldn't work out...

And: i'm quite sure, that you won't benefit that much of the additional RAM, as long as Logic can't address it!
Posted on Tue, Oct 25 2005 02:28
by PolarBear
Joined on Sun, Jul 20 2003, Germany, Posts 1206
The arithmetics even only nearly work even if dual or quad core would be supported (I don't know if it is). There is still some overhead needed to distribute the different tasks e.g.

Oh and remember, I heard the new Quad G5s are a possible contender of the CRAY, which is the only computer so far that is believed to run an endless loop in only 4 hours, (quoted cm's sig).

PolarBear
A zero can decuple an existing problem.
Posted on Tue, Oct 25 2005 19:18
by evan evans
Joined on Tue, Jun 17 2003, Hollywood, CA, Posts 2058
The arithmetic isn't linear right now but it will be in the future as Logic is programmed better for higher level OS. I will see performance increase and that's what I'm looking for.

Truth is, the QuadG5 is 10Ghz, but getting it to use all 10Ghz in symphony will be a ways off, and I'm fine with that.

NICK,
I do have AV5 and I didn't think of that. However, I typically like to adjust the tails differently for each position, but ... what you are saying is to line up a row of ER only AV5s that feed into a MAIN Non-ER/Tail Only AV5? interesting idea. Where have you seen this tip illustrated/talked about (I'd like to read more)?

Evan Evans
Evan Evans
Film Scoring Academy
http://filmscoring.academy
Posted on Tue, Oct 25 2005 20:31
by Nick Batzdorf
Joined on Tue, Apr 29 2003, Los Angeles, Posts 2546
They have a demo of that on their site:

http://www.audioease.com/Pages/Altiverb/Altiverb5Stagepositions.html

It works very well.
Mac Pro 5,1 12-core 3.46 GHz, 64MB RAM, latest macOS available. Metric Halo 2882 interface.

VisionDAW Windows 7 Pro i7 950 3.07 4-core, 24GB RAM. Has an RME Hammerfall HDSP9632, but I just use VE Pro. Also several ancient P4 XP slaves, rarely used.
Posted on Wed, Oct 26 2005 09:29
by evan evans
Joined on Tue, Jun 17 2003, Hollywood, CA, Posts 2058
Ok, cool, I've been playing around with this and the results seem to be really good. Why though is this Martin Sprujeet recording used as the example for this thing? It sounds so bad. Am I the only one who enjoys a realistic hall sound? eeeek.

Evan Evans
Evan Evans
Film Scoring Academy
http://filmscoring.academy
Posted on Wed, Oct 26 2005 10:25
by thierry.ecuvillon
Joined on Wed, May 04 2005, france, Posts 211
is some one can explain to me how to use the pan preset orchestra in av5.
they is one same preset for v1 & v2, or tp trombe & tuba.
do you move the speaker or do you let the same for all pupitre?

and whitch one is you favorite preset and how for the master reverb ?


thank you [[Smile]] [[Smile]] [[Smile]]
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Thierry Ecuvillon : Composer (france)
Opus 1+2/ Solo Strings / Overdrive/Saxophone1 /Logic Pro X / Exs 24 / Altiverb/VE Pro 6
Posted on Wed, Oct 26 2005 16:07
by Nick Batzdorf
Joined on Tue, Apr 29 2003, Los Angeles, Posts 2546
I think there's an anti-reverb bias in continental Europe. Smile
Mac Pro 5,1 12-core 3.46 GHz, 64MB RAM, latest macOS available. Metric Halo 2882 interface.

VisionDAW Windows 7 Pro i7 950 3.07 4-core, 24GB RAM. Has an RME Hammerfall HDSP9632, but I just use VE Pro. Also several ancient P4 XP slaves, rarely used.
Posted on Wed, Oct 26 2005 19:59
by evan evans
Joined on Tue, Jun 17 2003, Hollywood, CA, Posts 2058
Yeah that must be it. Good lord that sounded like ****. It's like, "Here's our wonderful sounding reverb", and it sounds like the worst engineered recording in the most public display. I'm actually going to ask them if I can provide the demo for their next ... demo. It's just not fair for the end users and customers to try to make heads or "tails" (pun intended), out of what they have there.

In summary:

YUCK!

Evan Evans
Evan Evans
Film Scoring Academy
http://filmscoring.academy
Posted on Wed, Oct 26 2005 20:00
by evan evans
Joined on Tue, Jun 17 2003, Hollywood, CA, Posts 2058
thierry.ecuvillon wrote:
do you move the speaker or do you let the same for all pupitre?
What's a "pupitre"?

Evan Evans
Evan Evans
Film Scoring Academy
http://filmscoring.academy
Posted on Thu, Oct 27 2005 01:40
by JohnA
Joined on Fri, Mar 28 2003, Dartmouth, Canada, Posts 161
evanevans wrote:
thierry.ecuvillon wrote:
do you move the speaker or do you let the same for all pupitre?
What's a "pupitre"?

Evan Evans


French for "desk" (in a string section.)
Literally "pulpit" I think.
best,
John
Posted on Thu, Oct 27 2005 02:07
by KMuzzey
Joined on Tue, Jul 22 2003, Los Angeles, CA, Posts 270
I think the Maarten example was a clear-cut-using-every-instrument-in-the-ensemble-in-order-to-show-off-the-features example. I really liked it; oftentimes with peoples' demos, I just want to hear the before & after because it can be very telling. Similarly, I really like the demo for Epic Horns on the VSL site that plays the full piece, and then just the horns by themselves.

The Maarten demo may not be Mozart, but it's effective.
Posted on Thu, Oct 27 2005 03:53
by evan evans
Joined on Tue, Jun 17 2003, Hollywood, CA, Posts 2058
Well I'm glad someone thinks so. It does say a lot about your personal tastes, the tastes of Marteen, the tastes of those at AudioEase, and probably the tastes of those who also admire Hans Zimmer and his ... wonderful ... "scoring".

I do respect that we can't all be as talented as Mozart, but let us not forget that Stravinsky was probably even more talented ... otherwise why didn't Mozart write anything as good as Stravinsky did when he was alive? Wink

Evan Evans

P.S. Some people just never get it.
Evan Evans
Film Scoring Academy
http://filmscoring.academy
Posted on Thu, Oct 27 2005 04:11
by Nick Batzdorf
Joined on Tue, Apr 29 2003, Los Angeles, Posts 2546
My only criticism is that Maarten's demo doesn't have enough reverb. They're too refined in Europe. Slop it on, I say. [Smile]

And would Stravinsky have written what he wrote if Mozart hadn't come before him? [Smile] What about Pergolesi? Was he more talented than Igor?
Mac Pro 5,1 12-core 3.46 GHz, 64MB RAM, latest macOS available. Metric Halo 2882 interface.

VisionDAW Windows 7 Pro i7 950 3.07 4-core, 24GB RAM. Has an RME Hammerfall HDSP9632, but I just use VE Pro. Also several ancient P4 XP slaves, rarely used.
Posted on Thu, Oct 27 2005 04:12
by Nick Batzdorf
Joined on Tue, Apr 29 2003, Los Angeles, Posts 2546
Are we off-topic yet? Devil
Mac Pro 5,1 12-core 3.46 GHz, 64MB RAM, latest macOS available. Metric Halo 2882 interface.

VisionDAW Windows 7 Pro i7 950 3.07 4-core, 24GB RAM. Has an RME Hammerfall HDSP9632, but I just use VE Pro. Also several ancient P4 XP slaves, rarely used.
Posted on Thu, Oct 27 2005 08:27
by evan evans
Joined on Tue, Jun 17 2003, Hollywood, CA, Posts 2058
I really like Pergolesi.

Big Smile

Evan Evans
Evan Evans
Film Scoring Academy
http://filmscoring.academy
Posted on Thu, Oct 27 2005 10:10
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 8329
Nick Batzdorf wrote:
Are we off-topic yet?

Aaahhmmmmmm ---- yesss! Smile

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A sidenote to Mr. Evans: AltiVerb is a wonderful program, and the people of AudioEase will licence a new, PC-based convolution engine based on their huge knowledge for our MIR-engine. But I think it's save to say that the MIR will not be "just" a replacement for three or four AltiVerbs (or vice versa). The MIR is a complete mixing frontend for virtual orchestration (or call it a multisampled concert venue), with a very own and very different set of features and concepts.
/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Oct 27 2005 12:08
by KMuzzey
Joined on Tue, Jul 22 2003, Los Angeles, CA, Posts 270
I am constantly amazed at the arrogance, entitlement, and absolute gall of some members.

Evan, after several years of watching your out-of-line, cocky, and incredibly rude postings on this board, I have to say that this one takes the cake.

You seem to be the only one so impressed with your own brilliance. Tell you what -- once you're as famous as you think you are, and as important to the world of film music as you think you are, and as much of a gift to the world as you think you are -- THEN you can cast judgment from on high on someone's tastes. I find your posts, especially this latest one, insulting.

I'd like to ask the room moderator if there's a way to put someone's posts on permanent "ignore"? I get a lot of great information out of these forums, and seeing people like Evan Evans on them really ruins the experience. Seriously, I'm disgusted.
Posted on Thu, Oct 27 2005 12:44
by PaulR
Joined on Mon, Dec 22 2003, England, Posts 2371
How you doing Kerry? Big Smile

I quite like Marteen Sprujuit's examples on the Altiverb site. There are two finished articles - one wetter than the other. I can't imagine too much more reverb being added to be honest. It would become a little too sludgy then for my taste. Good writing too imo.

It's all about taste Kerry - Evan has differing tastes which is fair enough. Bottom line is Altiverb is a great piece of kit that can be tailored to any taste imaginable.
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